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TOURNAMENT STANDINGS
French Championship Tournament

Maxime Vachier-Lagrave7/11(+3 -0 =8)[games]
Sebastien Feller6.5/11(+3 -1 =7)[games]
Etienne Bacrot6.5/11(+2 -0 =9)[games]
Andrei Istratescu6.5/11(+2 -0 =9)[games]
Laurent Fressinet6.5/11(+4 -2 =5)[games]
Romain Edouard6/11(+4 -3 =4)[games]
Iossif Davidovich Dorfman5/11(+0 -1 =10)[games]
Christian Bauer5/11(+1 -2 =8)[games]
Emmanuel Bricard4.5/11(+1 -3 =7)[games]
Jean-Pierre Le Roux4.5/11(+2 -4 =5)[games]
Hichem Hamdouchi4.5/11(+1 -3 =7)[games]
Andrei Shchekachev3.5/11(+1 -5 =5)[games]

 page 1 of 3; games 1-25 of 66  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. J P Le Roux vs H Hamdouchi 0-1272011French ChampionshipE60 King's Indian Defense
2. A Shchekachev vs E Bricard  ½-½412011French ChampionshipD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
3. I D Dorfman vs C Bauer  ½-½132011French ChampionshipA29 English, Four Knights, Kingside Fianchetto
4. M Vachier-Lagrave vs R Edouard ½-½262011French ChampionshipC03 French, Tarrasch
5. Fressinet vs S Feller 1-0332011French ChampionshipD76 Neo-Grunfeld, 6.cd Nxd5, 7.O-O Nb6
6. A Istratescu vs Bacrot  ½-½162011French ChampionshipD56 Queen's Gambit Declined
7. J P Le Roux vs M Vachier-Lagrave 0-1652011French ChampionshipD76 Neo-Grunfeld, 6.cd Nxd5, 7.O-O Nb6
8. E Bricard vs Fressinet  ½-½402011French ChampionshipA02 Bird's Opening
9. R Edouard vs A Istratescu  ½-½212011French ChampionshipD27 Queen's Gambit Accepted, Classical
10. Bacrot vs A Shchekachev 1-0312011French ChampionshipB07 Pirc
11. H Hamdouchi vs C Bauer ½-½192011French ChampionshipB01 Scandinavian
12. S Feller vs I D Dorfman ½-½232011French ChampionshipD17 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
13. C Bauer vs S Feller  ½-½282011French ChampionshipD80 Grunfeld
14. I D Dorfman vs E Bricard  ½-½292011French ChampionshipD35 Queen's Gambit Declined
15. Fressinet vs Bacrot  ½-½702011French ChampionshipA13 English
16. A Istratescu vs J P Le Roux 1-0402011French ChampionshipB07 Pirc
17. A Shchekachev vs R Edouard  0-1362011French ChampionshipA30 English, Symmetrical
18. M Vachier-Lagrave vs H Hamdouchi 1-0412011French ChampionshipB57 Sicilian
19. H Hamdouchi vs S Feller  ½-½552011French ChampionshipB53 Sicilian
20. M Vachier-Lagrave vs A Istratescu ½-½152011French ChampionshipE11 Bogo-Indian Defense
21. R Edouard vs Fressinet 0-1402011French ChampionshipD18 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav, Dutch
22. E Bricard vs C Bauer 1-0642011French ChampionshipA09 Reti Opening
23. Bacrot vs I D Dorfman  ½-½182011French ChampionshipA07 King's Indian Attack
24. J P Le Roux vs A Shchekachev  ½-½172011French ChampionshipE17 Queen's Indian
25. C Bauer vs Bacrot  ½-½252011French ChampionshipE04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3
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Aug-22-11  Maatalkko: Is Dorfman being paid to appear at this event? I know he's "emeritus", but it really makes no sense to me that he's here just to shake hands and the other players are allowing him to do that.
Aug-22-11  Maatalkko: I was sympathetic towards the faction of GMs who protested anti-drawing rules until this year. Seems that every event with them has benefited and without them has suffered. I understand the idea that the absolute percentage may not vary much, but there are light years of difference between a drawn struggle and a drawn sham.
Aug-22-11
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  Brettwith2ts: Does anyone know where in Caen the games are being played?
Aug-23-11  Tadeucouto: Edoard play the French game and win.
Very good game ...
Aug-23-11  polarmis: <Brettwith2ts>, on the university campus, it seems (though I don't now Caen or any more details!).
Aug-23-11  Albertan: From Chessbase.com:
"Feller's interview, and a solution to the cheating scandal 23.08.2011 The French Championship is in it's eighth round, with four GMs in the joint lead. The event is marred by continued suspicion and anti-cheating measures, brought on by accusations that one of the participants had in the past engaged in organised cheating. Sebastian Feller has given an interview on the subject, and we have a proposal on how to quickly clear up the matter":http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
Aug-23-11
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  anthro: A lot of short drawss!
Aug-23-11
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  Brettwith2ts: <polarmis> Thanks! Yeah, campus makes sense now that I think about it, I was trying to think of convention centers or big hotels, and I was drawing a blank.
Aug-23-11  Kanatahodets: <Maatalkko: Is Dorfman being paid to appear at this event? I know he's "emeritus", but it really makes no sense to me that he's here just to shake hands and the other players are allowing him to do that.> i got your humor! i completely forgot who Dorfman is: a Shlehter of old generation. though Carl had made a masterpiece today. i`m sure Iosip has some too... I don't see much of problem him making so many draws, he is an old buddy, let him enjoy:)
Aug-23-11  Illogic: <Kanatahodets> In a national championship, though?
Aug-23-11  dumbgai: Life must be good in France. I've never been there myself but that's what I hear from everyone. Seems the GMs agree.
Aug-24-11  Everyone: <dumbgai: Life must be good in France. I've never been there myself but that's what I hear from everyone.> tre comme un coq en pte
Aug-24-11  znsprdx: @<Maatalkko:> "sham" for sure: well expressed. As I've pointed out countless times it would be so easy to put an end to these pathetic draws by introducing a pro-active scoring system.

Already the 3 points for a win idea has shown to make a difference... but maybe a black win is worth 4 points to 3 for white such that at the very least 'draws' could be divided into a split: 2 points for Black 1 point for White....

There are other considerations that could enter into the picture such as difference in ratings - which could require half-point adjustments, at least in single round robin (and even Swiss?) tournaments

Of course this would greatly upset comparisons with past statistics - poor Kramnik and Leko would find their results not quite so impressive.

Aug-24-11  TheRavenPK: Everything in this post is my idea and I don't want to tell it is true or something, just something to think and discuss about.

Imagine the situation: every player participating in this tournament had before the tournament agreed to draw with GM Dorfman. Even the players who want to win it agreed to "lose" half point. Then, suddenly, you play this GM in penultimate round and are co-leader with such player as MVL, who is able to win almost any time he wants or needs to. It is very tempting to break the agreement and play for a win.

What do you think, is this scenario possible here? If yes, what do you think about the moral aspect? There is lot of views you can choose..

Aug-25-11  kappertjes: <TheRavenPK> Well if you gave your word, that should be what you do. A man without his word, is nothing.
Aug-25-11  Illogic: If he agreed to pre-arrange a draw, then his morals weren't there to begin with
Aug-25-11  kappertjes: <Illogic> That is probably true, still if such an agreement was made by all participants no one (except the public I guess) would be adversely affected.
Aug-25-11  haydn20: The lower-ranked players who tried hard but lost might well resent being pressured into such an agreement.
Aug-25-11  Atking: With 7/11 Maxime is Champion of France. Congratulations! Many players at the second place. Fressinet, Bacrot, Istratescu, Feller... and the next are very closed.
Aug-25-11  number 23 NBer: Did Fressinet lose to Bauer? That's the only way Maxime would win clear first, as long as Edouard didn`t beat Le Roux.
Aug-25-11  polarmis: Yep, Fressinet lost. Does anyone know what happened in Feller's game? The final position doesn't seem in any way resignable!?
Aug-25-11
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  perfidious: <dumbgai: Life must be good in France. I've never been there myself but that's what I hear from everyone....>

It's been many years since I last visited, but I enjoyed it too-in the early 1990s, I briefly considered going to play in their league.

Aug-26-11  Atking: <polarmis: Yep, Fressinet lost. Does anyone know what happened in Feller's game? The final position doesn't seem in any way resignable!?> Yes the position looks balanced. I think Feller won on time. During these last days the pressure was great with some surprises. It seems that all players have their good and bad days and I think the final result is quite fair.
Aug-26-11  laskersteinitz: Etienne Bacrot is still my hero! But then again, so is MVL.
Dec-21-11  knighterrant999: The French have no fighting spirit, in chess, or otherwise.
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