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|Sep-18-11|| ||Shams: <kellmano> I find the "interesting detail" almost more disturbing.|
|Sep-18-11|| ||Peligroso Patzer: Looking at the current position in Ivanchuk-Ponomariov (after <52. ... Nc3+>), White appears to have a difficult defense. Despite the fact that the respective Bishops are of opposite color, the presence of the respective Knights should give Black good chances.|
|Sep-18-11|| ||Boratco: <kellmano: His favourite film is Titanic?!|
Perhaps his favorite line is, Is there any chessplayer alive out there?:o)
|Sep-18-11|| ||Peligroso Patzer: After 45 moves, Ivanchuk (White) had theee pawns, all on dark squares (and thus attackable by the Black Bishop). After <55. h3>, White has two pawns (to Black's three), both on light squares (thus, defensible by the White Bishop). In an opposite-color-Bishop ending (even if not pure OCB due to the presence of one Knight each), this represents progress towards consolidating his defense, but I think Black still has good chances.|
|Sep-18-11|| ||Peligroso Patzer: ... but, on the other hand, Ponomariov is taking a long time over his moves a this point, suggesting that he has not found a winning plan. The barrier against the advance of the Black King that the White minors create across the central squares on the 5th rank is the big problem that Black must overcome to win.|
|Sep-18-11|| ||kellmano: It has to be drawn now I think. Surely Ivanchuk can, at worst, swap his pawn and one minor piece for Pono's two pawns.|
|Sep-18-11|| ||whiteshark: I don't let my wife use the internet until Chuky finished his game. One win for me. :D|
|Sep-18-11|| ||perfidious: <bigatin> Break out the peace pipe!|
Let me be clear on what I meant, not what I actually said: if I'm looking at a player, thirty years old, who's 2650, he has no practical chance of winning the title, as he won't improve much more, if at all. If that's someone who's seventeen and 2600, he has a much better shot, though there's still nothing easy about it.
|Sep-18-11|| ||dangerhump: <perfidious> What about Topalov?|
|Sep-18-11|| ||benjinathan: <What about Topalov?>|
Does he still play chess?
|Sep-18-11|| ||kia0708: I heard he had recently some family problems. Don't know if this is true.|
|Sep-18-11|| ||Beholder: <kia0708: I heard he had recently some family problems.>|
What, Danailov left him?!
|Sep-18-11|| ||putot: wesley and topalov drew their game during the last olympiad|
|Sep-18-11|| ||Matsumoto: Wes is just so-so.|
|Sep-18-11|| ||paavoh: I went thru the Ivanchuk-Ponomariov game #3, and it felt like despite the pawn deficit, Ivanchuk seemed to be on the driver's seat in the entire game.
I hope tomorrow Ivanchuk will control his nerves, not stray into time trouble and the third spot in the Candidates will be his.|
|Sep-18-11|| ||HSOL: Not saying Wesley So won't become a challenger in the future, but given his rating has pretty much stood still around 2650 for the last two years and about 200 rated games, isn't it more likely he has hit his plateau, a few years earlier than most male players do, but not unusual among female players to stop improving still in their teens?|
In the same time, Anish Giri has played only slightly more rated games if I count correctly and moved from 2550ish to 2720ish, while being younger.
I can't see how the supposed lack of opportunities makes up for all the gap between them.
|Sep-18-11|| ||frogbert: <wesley and topalov drew their game during the last olympiad>|
yeah, that was a good result for topalov. compared to the rest of his lackluster performance in the olympiad, i mean.
if we for a moment disregard the game wesley and topalov played and consider the games topalov played against other grand masters in that olympiad, his performance was:
2,5/6 against an average of 2645 (he didn't beat a single 2600+ player, btw)
what kind of performance (against gms) is that? it's a tpr of 2588.
so <wesley so managed to draw a player who performed at 2588> against the (other) gms he played. wow.
including the so-topalov game topalov's tpr (against gms) was 2598 in that olympiad. again, drawing wesley <improved> topalov's performance, which kind of says it all from topalov's point of view...
guys, the players topping the rating list have <beaten all the other top players>, typically more than once. they routinely draw the other top players. some of them are so good that they're willing to enter objectively worse positions against their peers in order to increase the chance of getting winning chances. doing that they still perform around 2800 <on average>.
listen, the rating list isn't a result of single, selected results - it represents the accumulated results of all events, and those players at the top are better and <more consistent> than the rest. not because they've been gifted this or that, but because they are better chess players, for whatever reasons.
purely ratingwise wesley so has done slightly better when playing <in asia> (and in particular in his own country) than when playing elsewhere in the world. i've already shown you the math. he's currently where he belongs in the rating system - where his results have put him.
whether or not he'll be able to do what he needs to improve - assuming he's got the ability to - is entirely none of fide's or anybody else's business. it's not their problem either - and from a neutral point of view it's not even a problem if he doesn't. but continuing to portray wesley so as a victim of some geographical or system-induced "conspiration" only takes focus away from the issue you seemingly care for: wesley so to enjoy more success as a chess player. the answer is pretty simple: he needs to become a better player in order to become a more successful player. that's what it boils down to.
nakamura eventually got that right. unfortunately a number of his cg.com fans never did, thinking (or pretending) that he would've been equally successful 3-4 years ago if "he'd just been given a chance". it's depressing, really.
the number of "could've, would've, should've" evangelists on this site is ... interesting from a socio-psychological point of view, possibly. since chess fans also tend to engage in debates about how time-travelling world champions of the past would've done today we should possibly not be too surprised. but going on about how this or that player is "cheated" from opportunities makes as little difference to the real world as hypothesising about morphy's or capablanca's chances against carlsen or anand. at best it can fuel the occasional rant - like this one of mine.
|Sep-18-11|| ||lazyknight: @bigatin
Ok, so Wesley is the greatest, that's my word and your word too. But words don't mean much, tourney results DO SPEAK for themselves.
FIDE site has all his tourney records. Feel free to check them out, records don't lie, they will tell you a story you would try hard to find excuses, but the records do explain why the "real deal" is still where he is right now. Aside from some great games, there were spotty tourneys, remember Aeroflot 2011? Le top the list, where was Wesley on the list?
It has been 2 years since he become the "real deal" during those 2 years, great young players from the unofficial race to 27xx http://www.gmwesleyso.com/news/blog... ALL made it to 27xx except the "real deal"
You cited a few comments from some elite players and concluded that whatever someone said (in your favor) must be right! I can go on and on and on citing many such comments regarding Giri, Le, Nguyen, Nepo, Caruana, and Negi but that doesn't mean anything really until Le, Cuarana, Nepo, and Giri all proved themselves!
|Sep-18-11|| ||SugarDom: <lazyknight: @bigatin
Ok, so Wesley is the greatest, that's my word and your word too>
take a longer vacation at Afghanistan, hippo, i never heard you say he was the greatest...
|Sep-18-11|| ||Matsumoto: Would be really fun to see Svidler take the trophy here!|
|Sep-18-11|| ||tud: Svidler will take the trophy as he has it all : constancy and high level of play. He is back.|
|Sep-18-11|| ||Boratco: <In the same time, Anish Giri has played only slightly more rated games if I count correctly and moved from 2550ish to 2720ish, while being younger.>|
Yeah, including a tournament where the closest rival was merely a 2500 player. I can't find that link now but is how you can amass points quickly to stardom.
|Sep-18-11|| ||Boratco: And lazyknight said GM Wesley So is the greatest? Surprise, surprise. What have we here, I haven't seen anyone said such a thing. The arguments was, nevermind, you can go back and read where it all started by Mr. Slim.|
|Sep-18-11|| ||GalileoPiccolino: The talking points about the real deal thing really has taken a circuitous circus act. No big deal. On to the WCC.|
|Sep-18-11|| ||Boratco: <purely ratingwise wesley so has done slightly better when playing <in asia> (and in particular in his own country) than when playing elsewhere in the world. i've already shown you the math. he's currently where he belongs in the rating system - where his results have put him.>|
Wasn't it you said the other way around? Where is the sample to justify your point?
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