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15th Unive (Crown Group) Tournament

Vladimir Kramnik4.5/6(+3 -0 =3)[view games]
Anish Giri3/6(+1 -1 =4)[view games]
Maxime Vachier-Lagrave2.5/6(+0 -1 =5)[view games]
Judit Polgar2/6(+0 -2 =4)[view games]

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Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. M Vachier-Lagrave vs Judit Polgar ½-½64 2011 15th Unive (Crown Group)E17 Queen's Indian
2. Kramnik vs A Giri 1-035 2011 15th Unive (Crown Group)E97 King's Indian
3. Kramnik vs Judit Polgar 1-031 2011 15th Unive (Crown Group)E14 Queen's Indian
4. A Giri vs M Vachier-Lagrave  ½-½24 2011 15th Unive (Crown Group)A15 English
5. Judit Polgar vs A Giri ½-½27 2011 15th Unive (Crown Group)C45 Scotch Game
6. M Vachier-Lagrave vs Kramnik ½-½28 2011 15th Unive (Crown Group)D37 Queen's Gambit Declined
7. A Giri vs Kramnik ½-½63 2011 15th Unive (Crown Group)A20 English
8. Judit Polgar vs M Vachier-Lagrave ½-½44 2011 15th Unive (Crown Group)B90 Sicilian, Najdorf
9. Kramnik vs M Vachier-Lagrave 1-087 2011 15th Unive (Crown Group)A15 English
10. A Giri vs Judit Polgar 1-047 2011 15th Unive (Crown Group)A15 English
11. Judit Polgar vs Kramnik ½-½22 2011 15th Unive (Crown Group)C67 Ruy Lopez
12. M Vachier-Lagrave vs A Giri  ½-½96 2011 15th Unive (Crown Group)D37 Queen's Gambit Declined
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Oct-22-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  scormus: 12 games, 8 draws. Same finale positions as with the classic +1 =1/2 -0. I wonder what this says for the "new" +3 =1 -0 scoring convention
Oct-22-11  Oxnard: Will this be the first time in history that there are four in the 2800 club?
Oct-22-11  Blunderdome: <frog> Yes, but I didn't want to get into the nitty-gritty, just wanted to make the point that saying "so-and-so is just playing here to gain rating points" is usually misguided -- which you already know, you were just wondering if I did. I did read your posts at the Nakamura page BTW, which were interesting.

<who says i took offense?> Maybe you didn't, but you aren't the only Carlsen fan ;) I don't know, it seems like a lot of people have been quoting that out of context and trying to make it seem like Kramnik was disrespecting Carlsen, which wasn't the case. I agree it was "silly," though.

Oct-22-11  frogbert: <Will this be the first time in history that there are four in the 2800 club?>

i think so, but they consist of two "old" members (anand + kramnik) and two "new" members (carlsen + aronian) - and there are few disputing that carlsen and aronian are two of the brightest stars born betwen 1980 and 1995. and so far the only two players from that period who have broken 2800.

in comparison, of the other "historic" 2800+ members, three were born between 1965 and 1980 (anand, kramnik and topalov), and one before 1965 (kasparov).

kasparov was 2800+ at anand's age, and kramnik and aronian are both at ages where their pratical strength should be at its best due to a very nice combination of experience and enough stamina still to fight it out with younger players. kramnik at 35 isn't at all old - he's mature.

in fact, "historically speaking" carlsen is the odd one out here, having become world number one at only 19.

Oct-22-11  frogbert: <<Kramni's> jeez...>

too much tonight, rogge? oh, you had that belated birthday party - that might explain things. :o)

Oct-22-11  rogge: Uh, right ;)
Oct-22-11  hellopolgar: <the funny thing here is kramnik's own downplaying of the importance of being 2800+ with the rest>

which interview is that? can anyone provide a link?

Oct-23-11  rogge: <Im quite sceptical about ratings in general. My rating only starts to worry me when it gets dangerously low. Id put it like that. And 2800 or 2810 Perhaps first place in the rating list might be some sort of motivation for me, but for now thats quite far off. And other than that no, it doesnt play a big role.>

http://www.whychess.org/en/node/1192

Oct-23-11  Sydro: Was there not an occasion when Kramnik challenged Topalov for the world championship and Topalov tried to avoid it by saying Kramnik's rating was too low for him?
Oct-23-11  jussu: <the funny thing here is kramnik's own downplaying of the importance of being 2800+ with the rest>

Yeah, he had better held back, for now it looks like he lied in that interview.

<Was there not an occasion when Kramnik challenged Topalov for the world championship and Topalov tried to avoid it by saying Kramnik's rating was too low for him?>

I think it was an interview right the Elista match, where either Topalov or Danailov said something in the line of that match being too unequal to be worth playing.

Oct-23-11  jussu: *right before the Elista match
Oct-23-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Karpova: <Theres a big difference in our ratings," Topalov stressed. "In chess 60 Elo points means a different class altogether. If Vladimir was offered to play against someone 60 Elo points below himself hed simply burst out laughing. If there is going to be a Topalov-Kramnik match, it will be on purely commercial basis. I do not believe we can play for the title because Ive already won it here in San Luis. A Topalov-Kramnik match for the title is out of question, because FIDE has organised a two-year cycle for the world championship, analogous to the one we had in San Luis, where eight qualifiers will fight for the title. Thus the tournament shall determine the new holder of the Crown. That is the plan.>

Source: http://www.chessbase.com/newsprint....

Oct-23-11  jussu: Oh, so my memory failed me as usual. Thanks <Karpova>.
Oct-23-11  hellopolgar: <rogge> Thanks for providing the link.
Oct-23-11  frogbert: <In chess 60 Elo points means a different class altogether. If Vladimir was offered to play against someone 60 Elo points below himself hed simply burst out laughing. If there is going to be a Topalov-Kramnik match, it will be on purely commercial basis. I do not believe we can play for the title because Ive already won it here in San Luis. A Topalov-Kramnik match for the title is out of question>

interesting how many wrongs it's possible to pack into a single paragraph:

- a topalov-kramnik match for the title is out of the question

(yeah, we noticed)

-in chess 60 elo points means a different class altogether

(the lack of deep understanding among the elite players of how the rating system actually works never ceases to amaze me. they repeatedly err to either side in wrongly interpreting rating differences and downplaying/exaggerating its meaning. topalov, kramnik and nakamura have all made pretty silly statements about ratings over the past years, basically disclosing only very partial understanding of what ratings are. i'm sure they are not the only elite gms with such "issues", but they are the three providing examples of "strange" statements that are freshest in my mind. naka's comments were made on icc this or the previous week, btw.)

Oct-24-11  WiseWizard: Kramnik rolls a 4,5,6. $$$
Oct-24-11  ooda: Is that it for the year now? I've noticed that the top tournaments seem to rapidly wind down then cease for the year around this time. I hope there are 1 or 2 big one's left.
Oct-24-11  jussu: London Classic is coming.
Oct-24-11  nescio: <ooda>
Sorry to disappoint you:

Moscow 16-25 November http://www.chess.com/news/tal-memor...

London 3-12 December http://www.londonchessclassic.com/

Oct-24-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  acirce: Yes, two more super-tournaments that both have all of Carlsen, Anand, Aronian and Kramnik! What a year.
Oct-24-11  Mr. Bojangles: <s," Topalov stressed. "In chess 60 Elo points means a different class altogether. If Vladimir was offered to play against someone 60 Elo points below himself hed simply burst out laughing. If there is going to be a Topalov-Kramnik match, it will be on purely commercial basis. I do not believe we can play for the title because Ive already won it here in San Luis. A Topalov-Kramnik match for the title is out of question...>

Considering the beat-down that Brother-leader Kramnik put on Mr Kasparov just 5 years earlier despite a ratings difference of 70 points, it was foolish of Topalov to make the above statement.

Of course he knew better and I believe he was merely playing mind games.

05/06 Topalov was becoming invincible until Kramnik shattered that facade for good. He hasn't been the same since.

Oct-24-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  acirce: Col. Kramnik didn't burst out laughing when Lk won the Dortmund qualifier either. The difference in rating was 85 points at that time.
Oct-24-11  Mr. Bojangles: Lol@Col Kramnik...
Oct-24-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: 2006.
Good laughs:

http://www.chessbase.com/eventlist....

Oct-24-11  Mr. Bojangles: Thx for d memories Chacho

It is 5 years this month, how time flies hey.

Damn we had a ball here !!!!

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