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|Mar-31-12|| ||variousartist: http://storage4.album.bg/dd0/crw_85...|
foto, i have made(in the 2 round), from the winner of the 13-th European Individual Chess Championship Plovdiv, Bulgaria
|Mar-31-12|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <cro777: In round ten on board 155 the 16-year-old untitled Serbian player Filip Kumic (2247) after 31 moves was clearly better against Zaur Ojagverdiyev (2050) of Azerbaijan.|
But that was not the reason why Ojagverdiyev immediately lost the game.
He has become the first player [at the ongoing European Championship in Plovdiv] to lose as a result of his <mobile phone ringing> during the game.>
The following game remains for me the most poignant instance of a game lost due to a player’s mobile phone ringing: Korbut vs N Pogonina, 2007.
It cost Korbut the Russian Women’s Championship in 2007. She finished in a four-way tie for equal first on 7.0/11, but the title was claimed by Tatiana Kosintseva on tie-breaks.
|Mar-31-12|| ||cro777: 20-year-old GM Vasif Durarbeyli (2543) of Azerbaijan (winner of the World Youth Championship U18 in Batumi, 2010, scoring 8/9) with 7.5 points and rating performance 2729 qualified for the next World Cup. He earned 29.6 elo points for this effort.|
|Mar-31-12|| ||ketchuplover: kudos those deserving :)|
|Mar-31-12|| ||cro777: MALAKHOV'S RECIPE - HOW TO PLAY UNCOMPROMISINGLY FOR A DRAW AVOIDING VIOLATION OF THE SOPHIA RULES|
In round nine of the European Championship on board 1 Akopian and Malakhov, playing the game "uncompromisingly for a draw", repeated the game Motylev-Karjakin (Poikovsky Tournament 2010) which ended in a draw with threefold repetition.
Vladimir Akopian - Vladimir Malakhov
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Nxe4 5.d4 Nd6 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.dxe5 Nf5 8.Qxd8+ Kxd8 9.Nc3 Ke8 10.h3 h5 11.Rd1 Be7 12.Ne2
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12...Be6 13.Nf4 Bc8 14.Ne2 Be6 15.Nf4 Bc8 16.Ne2 Draw by repetition
According to FIDE Laws and the tournament rule that players cannot agree to a draw in less than 40 moves without the consent of the arbiter, Akopian and Malakhov formally asked the referee permission to abandon their game due to threefold repetition.
Today in the last round on board 2 Malakhov again repeated the same line of the Berlin endgame:
Viktor Bologan - Vladimir Malakhov
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5
Nf5 8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. Nc3 Ke8 10. h3 h5 11. Rd1 Be7 12. Ne2
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12...Be6 13. Nf4 Bc8 14. Ne2 Be6
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Again, the players could have repeated the position for at least the third time and formally asked the referee permission to abandon the game.
But this time Bologan decided to play on. Instad of <15.Nf4> he played <15.Ned4> and the game ended in a draw in 41 moves.
|Mar-31-12|| ||Penguincw: Jakovenko's game not in the database yet.|
|Mar-31-12|| ||waustad: The biggest ELO boost here was Avital Boruchovsky who picked up more than 65 rating points.|
|Mar-31-12|| ||cro777: The "Zero Tolerance" rule strikes again. In the final round GM Antoaneta Stefanova arrived three minutes late and got 0.|
|Mar-31-12|| ||King Death: < cro777: The "Zero Tolerance" rule strikes again. In the final round GM Antoaneta Stefanova arrived three minutes late and got 0.>|
We had a long night partying, see and she was lucky to get out of bed. But 3 minutes late and a 0? This is getting stupid!
|Mar-31-12|| ||WannaBe: Even after all the previous occurances, and all the hooplas, people still can't show up on time...|
People can't be that stupid, can they?? It's almost like Ryan Leaf, getting into trouble with the law, over and over and over and over.
Just don't learn, did Stefanova stay at the tournament hotel? Or some place far away??
|Mar-31-12|| ||tamar: I can see some game theory utilizations of the zero tolerance rule.|
Say you are having an awful tournament and it is last round. You could withdraw and fly home, but it looks bad.
Or you could simply take four extra sips of your coffee, and then arrive just after the clocks are started.
No fuss, no lost rating points, no stigma, and you get a free day.
|Mar-31-12|| ||freakclub: Zero-tolerance?
The Akopian-Malakhov and Maze-Smirin games are really funny and very mocking of the ornagizers. *Facepalm*!
|Apr-01-12|| ||parmetd: How many qualify for the World Cup?|
|Apr-01-12|| ||wordfunph: <parmetd>
23 players will qualify..
|Apr-01-12|| ||Domdaniel: <I understand the zero toleance rule just fine, and I think it is a stupid rule.>|
Exactly. Couldn't have put it better myself. Wait, I can *try* ... it is an incredibly stupid rule, a moronic piece of mindless bureaucracy based on a false analogy with other sports.
Would Fischer have played under a rule stating '30 seconds late and you lose'? Would Capablanca, Alekhine, Nimzowitsch? I think not.
And no, I'm not a 'victim' of lateness. In fact I got a free point in a tournament last week, when my opponent arrived 35 minutes late, only to find he'd been defaulted after 30. I'd still have played - I didn't want a default, I wanted a game - but rules are rules.
To be fair, a 30-minute rule (as in that event) is reasonable, as is the old one-hour rule. But there is simply no excuse for zero tolerance. None whatsoever.
Zero tolerance for zero tolerance.
You can look at it like this. Every player knows that the clock is one of the weapons in the chess armoury. If you choose to be a little bit late, your opponent has more time on the clock.
The argument that 'footballers have to be on time' is absurd -- a chess game lasts five times as long as a football match, and for much of it nothing is happening but a guy sitting at a board thinking. If you allow 30 mins, say, before defaulting, then the internet audience can enjoy that time speculating whether GM X will make it on time, or suffer for being behind on the clock. Which is at least as interesting as wondering which opening he'll play ... and far better than nothing at all, which is what happens with defaults.
And it's *not* stupidity: it's a statistical inevitability. Put 300 chess players in a strange city, and a few of them are going to arrive late. For whatever reason.
FIDE do stupid things for a living, but the instant default is perhaps the worst yet.
|Apr-01-12|| ||frogbert: <FIDE do stupid things for a living,>|
<but the instant default is perhaps the worst yet.>
it's up there, but doesn't quite cut it on my virtual list. :o)
|Apr-01-12|| ||Domdaniel: <frogbert> Other FIDE decisions and dictates -- like world title arrangements, etc -- were also incredibly stupid. Possibly stupider than the instant default, if there was a bureaucracy IQ scale for measuring such things.|
But the default rule affects more people, and will go on doing so. I think it brings stupidity to a new level.
|Apr-01-12|| ||parmetd: well said Domdaniel.|
|Apr-03-12|| ||HeMateMe: How about if FIDE employees are docked a weeks pay for being one minute late to work? That sounds fair to me. |
"But boss--my train was running late!"
"Tough luck. You're out $1,000."
"But boss--our baby sitter was late--we can't just leave our child unattended.
"Not my problem. You lose $1,000."
"Hey...we sound just like chess players getting cheated out of prize money for a good finish, by forfeiting a round...."
Boss: Well, what goes around comes around, right?
Maybe then these dummies could come up with something reasonable, say 15 minutes late for rapid games, 1 hour for classical chess.
|Apr-03-12|| ||cro777: GM Emil Sutovsky, the President of the Association of Chess Professionals (ACP), considers some of the rules of the competition as well as referees' actions at the European Championship to be preposterous. In a short run ACP will prepare a letter for hundreds of players to sign.|
"First of all, I believe that the rule of <zero tolerance> in the open competition is not justified", Sutovsky said. According to him, registering losses for early draws (before 40th move) led to the fact that in the last round of the Championship one third of the games from the top of the table finished before they actually started. "They simply set and made another 40 moves...Moreover, the chief arbiter just before the tour said that short draws, even with a threefold repetition, would not be accepted by the arbiters".
In the last round, Grendmasters Maze and Smirin were the main actors of this "theater of the absurd".
Maze, Sebastien - Smirin, Ilia
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. g3 c6 5. Bg2 d5 6. cxd5 cxd5 7. O-O O-O 8. Nc3 Ne4 9. e3 Nxc3 10. bxc3 Nc6 11. Ba3 Bf5 12. Nd2 Qd7 13. Rc1 Rac8 14. Re1 Na5 15. Bf1 Rfe8 16. Bb4 Nc6
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17. Ba3 Na5 18. Bb4 Nc6 19. Ba3 Na5 20. Bb4 Nc6 21. Ba3 Na5 22. Bb4 Nc6 23. Ba3 Na5 24. Bb4 Nc6 25. Ba3 Na5 26. Bb4 Nc6 27. Ba3 Na5 28. Bb4 Nc6 29. Ba3 Na5 30. Bb4 Nc6 31. Ba3 Na5 32. Bb4 Nc6 33. Ba3 Na5 34. Bb4 Nc6 35. Ba3 Na5 36. Bb4 Nc6 37. Ba3 Na5 38. Bb4 Nc6 39. Ba3 Na5 40. Bb4 Nc6 1/2-1/2
Draw according to the rules, or piece of work in the grotesque genre? <Domdaniel> will explain.
|Apr-03-12|| ||Everett: If the <no draw before move 40> rule is trying to make chess more attractive and conversely raise prize funds through sponsership, the IDEA is fine... but does it, or will it ever prove fruitful in this regard? Are these rules necessary to increase or maintain the money coming in to the chess world? |
If this is not the case, they should be abandoned immediately.
Also, since zero-tolerance would have no regard either way to the quality of fighting chess actually played (except by preventing it!) there is no point to it. It seems someone who keeps on getting stood up for dates is on a power trip and wants to punish everyone for it. I always thought losing time on the clock is punishment enough.
|Apr-08-12|| ||cro777: The 2012 Russian Team Championship (7 rounds, Swiss system) starts tomorrow (Round 1) in Loo, Russia. |
Interestingly, the same controversial tournament regulations apply:
Zero –tolerance rule will be applied for each round.
Communication between players (offer of draw) is forbidden until the 40th move has been played.
|Apr-08-12|| ||cro777: GM Emil Sutovsky, the President of the Association of Chess Professionals (ACP):|
"Registering losses for early draws (before 40th move) led to the fact that in the last round of the Championship one third of the games from the top of the table finished before they actually started. They simply set and made another 40 moves".
|Apr-09-12|| ||smaragdus: About short draws I will quote Tal:
"To play for a draw, at any rate with white, is to some degree a crime against chess."
Maze and Smirin should be ashamed of themselves.
|May-28-12|| ||WTHarvey: Here's a collection of 78 critical positions from the championship:
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