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|May-28-12|| ||HSOL: It would be a lot less of early draws IF someone lost something by "wasting" another game. If for example, the reigning champion had draw odds (which I think makes perfect sense, if the challenger can't prove s/he is superior after x amount of games, it's nothing wrong with the reigning champion retaining his title, just like a tied world champ match in boxing.), at least the challenger would be forced to try and win, unlike this charade where neither player seems particularly interested in trying to win.|
Or the championship would need someone similar to Veselin Topalov (who on the other hand pushed far too much vs Anand)
|May-28-12|| ||Mr. Bojangles: <Yes. "Out of his prime" is the common excuse by the fanboys.
Until few weeks ago the same folks were yapping off about how Anand would crush Gelfand.
Now he is out of prime lol.
Yeah nothing to do with Gelfand ... chess revolves round Anand only.
|May-28-12|| ||arjunkakar: I am a bit peeved by all the comparisons to a penalty shoot out in soccer. Point is this isn't soccer and a tie break game isn't penalties. It will still be a game of chess.|
|May-28-12|| ||arjunkakar: I agree with you acrice, i dont like these ideas of "contriving" something "exciting". Its best when we observe what the two do as they deem best to win.|
|May-28-12|| ||Abraxas79: The best thing that could have happened today would have been for the match to have ended.|
Both of these players are a disgrace truly and neither one of should have the temerity to call themselves " World Champion|"
Now we understand why the draw offer has to be removed from chess and yes I understand perfectly well that a draw often is the natural result of a well played game, however Chess will never be taken seriously as a sport or competition until this rule is removed.
There are a lot of different sports/competitions where a tie is also the natural result, but I can't think of one other then chess where the players can agree to it anytime without even attempting to have a serious game. To give you an example how ludicurous it is, you can have a mate in one and offer your opponent a draw or offer a draw after completing only a single move.
|May-28-12|| ||Everett: You know, Gelfand's been pretty locked-in this match. I give him lots of credit in neutralizing Anand.|
A lot of chess comes down to match-ups of styles. With both Kramnik and Topalov, Anand had a "hook" that felt comfortable to him; look for double-edged activity with both colors vs Kramnik, while playing basically just the opposite vs Topalov. These ideas can be encapsulated by comparing Anand's black's vs Kramnik and his white's vs Topalov.
Vs Gelfand, however, one would think that the same strategy vs Kramnik would bear fruit, but either Gelfand did not allow this to happen or Anand's team did not see this as wise. Perhaps Gelfand proved less predictable or, more likely, more prepared.
I find Gelfand's work vs the Rossolimo to be a highlight of the match. The opening is very tricky and he played it perfectly.
BTW, I think there will be some interesting and trappy TNs coming our way during rapids. In fact, I think the rapid games will "salvage" the match for those who have become disillusioned with the classical draws. Truth is, speeding up the game is necessary to separate the men from the boys. For those who love risk, enjoy Morozevich and Topalov (and I love their games too!), but don't expect them to be fighting for the WC time and again with a risk-taking style. Even Bronstein, years before '71, felt Larsen would never make it to the WC, because Bent never learned how to draw.
|May-28-12|| ||QueentakesKing: What is the use of the rapid and blitz?
Why not play STONE, PAPER AND SCISSORS instead?
|May-28-12|| ||badest: <Mr. Bojangles: <badest: Ok, WC by rapids. Great.|
None of these guys deserves to be a WC!!! (I guess I am a bit upset ... lol!) >
I agree badest. Topalov should be WC:)>
LOL ... not the way he has been playing lately. But Carlsen or Aronian or ... anyone but these 2 fat lazy losers (and I used to really like Anand).
|May-28-12|| ||Eyal: <Anybody has any idea as to who gets black in the armageddon game?>|
They draw lots, and the player who wins chooses the color. Btw, there's a new draw for the order of colors before the rapids and before the blitz games as well. And seriously, don't hold your breath for an armageddon - the chances of both the rapid mini-match and the 5 blitz mini-matches all ending in a draw are very slim indeed. The world cup 2009 had the same system of tiebreaks and it didn't produce a single armageddon.
|May-28-12|| ||Abraxas79: Sofia rules are perfectly natural and should have been implemented in this match. |
Why the sponsor who was putting up all the money did not insist on this, is a mystery to me. Good luck finding a sponsor in the future with spineless chess such as this.
Incidentally,under sofia rules, the TD/Arbiter can sanction players or force them to play on in the event that they are manufacturing a threefold repition. So there are remedies in place to deal with players that are trying to usurp the rules.
|May-28-12|| ||jessicafischerqueen: Disgraceful, all around, start to finish. And this match is a draw.|
All rapid tie breaks will accomplish is to add a permanent asterisk to this "match" which neither player deserved to win.
Not boring chess- nothing wrong with boring chess- not too many draws, nothing wrong with that- but gutless chess. Plenty wrong with that.
No fierce will to win. No guts.
|May-28-12|| ||Mr. Bojangles: <anyone but these 2 fat lazy losers (and I used to really like Anand).>|
They are not fat just big boned :P
|May-28-12|| ||Dionysius1: This isn't the best advert for a sport that wants to get accepted into the Olympics. If the top players are cautious and not trying to win all the time, the ethos is so different from Olympic competitveness that I can't imagine anyone letting it in.|
|May-28-12|| ||Ezzy: World Championship G12 – Draw in 22 moves
28.05.2012 – It has been an underwhelming match, but there can be no peace, as the rules will not allow it. After a very strange game, Anand entered an endgame a pawn up, and precisely when he had an advantage and Gelfand had 15 minutes for 18 moves, they drew! <This means that it will be the first time a classical world champion will be decided by rapid games, and possibly blitz>
Didn't Kramnik v Topalov go to tie-breaks.
- 10 to chessbase for getting that wrong.
|May-28-12|| ||Karpova: Topalov could draw the classical part of the match only due to a free point (and an extra White) though.|
|May-28-12|| ||Eyal: <Didn't Kramnik v Topalov go to tie-breaks. |
- 10 to chessbase for getting that wrong.>
Yeah, that's obviously a silly mistake. But speaking of 2006, it's worth noting that back then most people didn't mind it so much because in the classical part of the match Kramnik lost a game by forfeit, and so was considered by many people as the actual winner in the part that included chess proper; the rapids only sort of "confirmed" that. Might have been another story had Topalov won the tiebreaks, though.
|May-28-12|| ||acirce: <Good luck finding a sponsor in the future with spineless chess such as this.>|
Every time people say this, and every time sponsors mysteriously turn up. Seriously, can anyone point at any occasion at all where a potential sponsor says no citing "too many unfought draws"?
|May-28-12|| ||acirce: <This means that it will be the first time a classical world champion will be decided by rapid games, and possibly blitz>|
No, this is not wrong. The tiebreaks were for the FIDE title. Had Topalov won, not many would have recognized him as the "real" ("classical") champion.
|May-28-12|| ||znsprdx: znsprdx: in retrospect the draw result after the classical 12 games: Gelfand's game 8 14...Qf6 may have been a brilliant concept to secure the psychological edge....Gelfand is already the moral victor - having truly totally outplayed Anand in game 7. Up a full point he throws the game with an obvious blunder- which just made no sense given his fine play and that it was Anand offering the draws in general. |
With 10 unfinished games - which 4 will re-appear but in the Rapids - with the benefit of lots of computer analysis: this seems to be the real match strategy for them both...
|May-28-12|| ||Open Defence: what the sponsors want seems to be tournaments to have a chance of a wider audience perhaps and not just from a handful of countries?|
|May-28-12|| ||polarmis: Levon Aronian: https://twitter.com/LevAronian/stat...|
<Anand-Gelfand g 12 was brilliant.Anand found a great pawn sac at home,and Gelfand answered with 2 pawn sacs! Wow,can't wait till tiebreaks!>
|May-28-12|| ||Eyal: Btw, if <Ezzy> was right I see that chessbase have already changed that - now it says <This means that the classical world champion will be decided by rapid games, and possibly blitz> ...|
|May-28-12|| ||micartouse: <Dionysius: This isn't the best advert for a sport that wants to get accepted into the Olympics. If the top players are cautious and not trying to win all the time, the ethos is so different from Olympic competitiveness that I can't imagine anyone letting it in.>|
Not a bad thing in my opinion. Chess isn't a sport - it's a board game. Chess would most likely be better off if its proponents didn't worry so much what an athletics committee thought of it.
|May-28-12|| ||Marmot PFL: As long as fans support a player there won't be a problem finding sponsors. A match involving Carlsen or Anonian wouldn't have any trouble.|
|May-28-12|| ||Marmot PFL: Aronian (sp)|
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