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| May-15-12 | | micartouse: No special measures need to be taken as a result of this match (I don't consider finding an optimal match length a special measure - that's a legitimate question). Pretty much all the stereotypically boring events happened - an unpopular FIDE candidates arrangement with mostly draws, a dull winner who wasn't one of the favorites, a dull champion, and a match with 4 nondescript draws to start. Seriously what are the changes statistically this will all happen again in our lifetimes? We should just enjoy the humor of it and realize it's a random occurrence. Of course, FIDE has some incentive to be more careful with qualifiers, but no drastic measures are needed at all. |
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| May-15-12 | | mrbasso: An early draw can be entertaining.
This has been known since:
Hamppe vs Meitner, 1872 |
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| May-15-12 | | wordfunph: "Well it was four draws. The match is just developing. We're still probing. It's very early, you don't really want to doing evaluations. So far it's a pretty tough match." - Vishy Anand
http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/chessne... |
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May-15-12
 | | KKDEREK: I don't think <draws> are the real issue here. The games are not bored because were draws or vice-verse.. Its about they became somewhat slaves of their match preparation or their opening prep or whatever..The games are dull because they look very predictable. No one taking risks at all..I'm not sure I'm right or this is "right", but It seems like a general opinion. Something is missing here.. This is not about the result of <draw>. |
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May-15-12
 | | parisattack: <KKDEREK: I don't think <draws> are the real issue here. The games are not bored because were draws or vice-verse.. Its about they became somewhat slaves of their match preparation or their opening prep or whatever..The games are dull because they look very predictable. No one taking risks at all..I'm not sure I'm right or this is "right", but It seems like a general opinion. Something is missing here.. This is not about the result of <draw>.> Concur. Alas, for whatever reason(s) its ultimately about the slow-but-sure death of classical chess. IMHO computers took 50 years off its life. |
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| May-15-12 | | taofelix: KKDEREK:
absolutely agree with you, seems my post of 2 days ago: the point is that they just dont struggle to win, only the 3 game came out an interesting one , all this home work... i'm not a good chess player and i wonder is there is really a way out, otherwise they will at the end study by heart not the first 20 moves but the first 120 moves,or soon we'll all have the silicon chips inserted directly in our grey cells,... is this not the way to kill the game?
bhw, look at their faces! seems the Sadness in person... what were the faces of Capa or Tal while playing? still, a lot of tension, obviously, but i think the were not , or at least, didnt seem 'prisoners of stake", waiting for the end of the game...
some joy, please,! you are of the strongest ones,
so smile and be happy! dont die over the board!
too romantic? |
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| May-15-12 | | taofelix: parisattack
if we all were real gentlemen, we would simply prohibit computers in chess and get back to the NOBLE GAME. yes, just prohibit! like the drugs and dopping is prohibited in other sports!
at least, if i beat you... what a pleasure! i did it! not the machine!
dreams, sweet dreams |
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| May-15-12 | | Pawn Dillinger: technical draw:" I don't like all these draws. I want entertainment."
My response: Poor you. How does it feel to want? If you want entertainment, go hire a stripper.
Too many whiners here. |
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| May-15-12 | | theagenbiteofinwit: <parisattack
if we all were real gentlemen, we would simply prohibit computers in chess and get back to the NOBLE GAME. yes, just prohibit! like the drugs and dopping is prohibited in other sports! at least, if i beat you... what a pleasure! i did it! not the machine! dreams, sweet dreams>The effect of computer in chess is way overrated.
The day a human can consistently draw out an engine with his opening prep, I'll buy this argument. |
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May-15-12
 | | Check It Out: Correct me if I am wrong, but there were plenty of lifeless draws in WC matches pre-computer, depending on the competitors. I think some players are more likely to play edgy chess than others due to playing style/personality type, and also age, younger challengers/champions being more likely to be bold. Some, like Tal, Fischer, and Bronstein, are built to play active chess regardless of the stakes. Anand is an active player of course, but he's slowed down a bit, had a child, and is defending his legacy now so is playing it close to the vest. Gelfand knows this is his shot at chess immortality, and with such a short format a single loss could be devastating, so he's playing it tight as well. In karate competition internationally, you typically see daring, exciting matches through the semi-finals, but then the finals are boring events with an explosion in the final seconds often deciding who is world champion in karate. We might expect that to happen here. These guys know how to jump on a weakness if it comes their way; it's just a matter of time. I don't think it's just the computers that are making the games so dull. It's the players and the situation. If Anand or Gelfand as black want to draw, it's tough for white to break through without taking a risk. It could be like opening a champagne bottle: work the cork very slowly all the way, then...BANG! |
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May-15-12
 | | technical draw: <Pawn> You fell for it. |
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May-15-12
 | | Lil Swine: with all the draws, the tension builds up to see who cracks first |
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May-15-12
 | | WannaBe: I wanna(be) see somebody open with 1. e4 and duel it out! D@ng it! |
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| May-15-12 | | taofelix: Check It Out:
mostly agree with you, but i'm tired of playing black as a great disadvantage- the draw is a good result. instead of one more move you are to choose what game will be played and i think this is much more important, one more move you can get back during the game. in fact black wins very often |
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| May-15-12 | | taofelix: Lil Swine
yes, just a matter of cracking!
why dont they simply play a "sadden death"? who wins the first game wins the title! should it be 11 draws and one win, let it be just 3 or 4 draws and then the great hit and it's over. |
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May-15-12
 | | bumpmobile: I don't know if this has ever been brought up before, but what would happen if the match were decided by the first person to go up by two games? Not that I am seriously suggesting it, but it might encourage players to take some more chances. Thoughts? |
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May-16-12
| | RookFile: Yes, maybe we should make it so that the challenger wins by at least 2 games, with 9-9 being a tie. |
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May-16-12
 | | Sacsacmate: <parisattack: <KKDEREK: I don't think <draws> are the real issue here. The games are not bored because were draws or vice-verse.. Its about they became somewhat slaves of their match preparation or their opening prep or whatever..The games are dull because they look very predictable. No one taking risks at all..I'm not sure I'm right or this is "right", but It seems like a general opinion. Something is missing here.. This is not about the result of <draw>.>
Concur. Alas, for whatever reason(s) its ultimately about the slow-but-sure death of classical chess. IMHO computers took 50 years off its life> I guess Chess960 might be the next thing. I have played a few games & it was more exciting than my imagination. Literally, one has to think right from move 1. Imagine 2 strong players coming to board without knowing what will be the starting position of pieces! Players imagination & creativity will play supreme part. Ofcourse, once in the middle game one may come across structures similar to those reached via openings in standard Chess game. |
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May-16-12
| | Sacsacmate: <Pawn Dillinger> Very well said ! |
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| May-16-12 | | teddysalad: It takes 2 to agree to a draw and there are always too many agreeable chess players. So just prohibit draws....play to a decision and if you get stalemated you lose. Keep playing and lets see how it shakes out. Force the players to take risks. |
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| May-16-12 | | Julian713: People are already writing off this match as "boring" because we haven't had any exciting matches yet? Take a closer look at Games 1 and 3. Anand used a very standard attack in Game 1 against the Grunfeld, and then a variation in Game 3 with a much more aggressive overall approach. This is not the chess equivalent of backyard hockey, this is the World Championship. And we've only played two rounds out of 6. Anand is testing the waters of the Grunfeld defense. You can quote me on this: I will be SHOCKED if Anand doesn't push for a win in games 4 or 5. Game 6 is too late, Game 3 too early. I can't say the same for Gelfand. Games 2 and 4 seemed remarkably similar. |
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| May-16-12 | | Julian713: Obviously I mean "Round 4 or 5" :D |
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May-16-12
| | Sacsacmate: Ivkov vs Korchnoi, 1957 The way game 3 ended, reminded me of the above game. Ofcourse it was not WC match & Korchnoi was not (I am guessing this) in time trouble. May be he worked out the win during adjournment but how nice was it. |
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| May-16-12 | | Blunderdome: If you want to enjoy the games, watch them live without engine analysis and try to find good moves. |
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| May-16-12 | | vsaluki: I'm glad that these guys held back their best stuff during the tournaments they were in this last year so that they could dazzle us in this championship. ;) |
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