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|May-02-12|| ||PhilFeeley: I always like to see Irina Krush win.|
|May-02-12|| ||benjinathan: I think these are the players:
IM Anna Zatonskih (2563)
IM Irina Krush (2500)
WGM Camilla Baginskaite (2419)
WGM Sabina Foisor (2413)
WGM Tatev Abrahamyan (2350)
WIM Viktorija Ni (2349)
IM Rusudan Goletiani (2337)
FM Alisa Melekhina (2321)
WIM Iryna Zenyuk (2298)
NM Alena Kats (2233)
|May-02-12|| ||AgentRgent: I have followed Irina's career since the Kasparov vs. the World game where she was absolutely wonderful. I'm also a fan of Goletiani because she and I have similar play styles (although she's light years better than me!).|
In a more superficial vein I enjoy watching Anna Zatonskih (mostly because I enjoy watching Anna Zatonskih!) ;)
|May-02-12|| ||Vulcano: How are the players chosen?|
|May-02-12|| ||HeMateMe: Probably ratings, + the defending champion gets an auto invite.|
Last year the men had a wild card of some sort, I think Seirawan emerged from a sort of mini tournament where some top names (Joel Benjamin, Yaz, Yermolinsky?) competed for the last spot, or last two spots in the tournament. Yaz won, and I think he finished around the middle of the crosstable.
|May-02-12|| ||Robin01: I hope Sabina Foisor can pull out a victory here and take the title.|
|May-03-12|| ||HeMateMe: Isn't Anna Z. defending champ, two years running? I would guess she's the favorite again.|
|May-09-12|| ||HeMateMe: Only 6, huh? Should be a bigger field. I guess thats the way it goes.|
Do all of the USA women make their living through chess? That would be tutoring, and some commentating work (Shahade). I realize there isn't a whole lot of prize money in chess.
I think some of the elite female players have pretty well paying gigs as the teaching pros at some of these elite NYC high schools that have strong chess programs. It's a feather on the cap for the school to go deep in nationals, male or female team. The parents are quite willing to pony up some big bucks to have a Krush or Anna Z. come by for two hours, M-Th afternoons, and analyze some games. The school likes it, keeps them in the news. The parents like it, their kids get notoriety.
I'm thinking of private schools like Phillips Exeter, Xavier, some upper east side schools. The ritzy private high school sponsored by Fordham University--the high school is right alongside the 4 year college, a gated community within the somewhat turbulent bronx, quite exclusive. Horace Mann school, in Riverdale? The Bronx actually has a well-to-do area, believe it or not. They try to keep it a secret by posting NO TRESPASSING signs at all the entry streets into Riverdale. Keeps out the gangbangers and thieves but joggers and bicyclists seem to be welcome. I went strolling through with a gal friend one day, and no attack dogs were set upon us. We did get some dirty looks, however.
Oddly enough, I've never heard of any great chess teams coming out of brain power public NYC high schools like Bronx Science, or Stuyvesant High. Those school have gifted, motivated kids (you attempt to test into these schools). Perhaps becaue there is no tuition there is no money to bring in a Joel Benjamin or Irinal krush to tutor the chess players. Oh well....Hunter High is another powerhouse academic high school in NYC, a small percentage are accepted. I think Hunter has actually made a splash in chess, in some years. Maybe some of these elite public high schools are getting some pro bono help from NYC grandmasters, not sure.
Susan Polgar said "St. Louis is now the center of USA chess". I guess it is for her, as a wealthy benefactor is financing many chess activities. But, NYC will always be the true backbone of American chess. This is where the immigrants come to, from Europe and Russia, this is where an IM might be a street hustler in the park.
St. Louis? Big deal. Go take a picture of you and a friend, standing next to the St. Louis Arch, and take in a Rams game. How exciting.
|May-09-12|| ||jsy: Wait a sec, HeHateMe, Robert Hess, an "uber" GM is from Stuyvesant HS. In the distance past, look up Noam Elkies, a prominent Stuyvesant alum who is a former chess problem solving wold champion.|
|May-09-12|| ||Shams: <Stuyvesant HS> User: Riverbeast is a "Pegleg", and a mighty good player to boot.|
|May-09-12|| ||Riverbeast: <Shams> I am hardly one of the best chessplayers to come out of Stuyvesant|
But two strong Stuyvesant alums besides Hess were....Larry Evans, and Andrew Soltis
<Oddly enough, I've never heard of any great chess teams coming out of brain power public NYC high schools like Bronx Science, or Stuyvesant High>
Stuyvesant has won more national HS chess championships than any other school in the country...By a pretty substantial margin, I think
And when I was there, we didn't have any coaching
|May-09-12|| ||HeMateMe: Sorry, I just haven't heard of them in recent chess news. I don't really follow scholastic chess, but I thought the schools that were bringing in GM tutors were doing the best these days, usually private schools. |
That said, I think one of the Brooklyn public high schools does very well nationally, because their neighborhood has this large population of Baltic folks, Latvians Estonians and Lithuanians. Lotsa chess players. There was a book that came out a few years ago that followed this chess team for a year. I think it was called <Freaks and Geniuses, a year with the _______ Chess Team.> Pretty good. Newly minted GM alex Lenderman was one of the freaks/geniuses.
I know Stuyvesant and Bronx Science have turned out special individuals in many fields, just didn't know that Stuyvesant had done so well in chess. They used to be located near Lafeyette park in the east teens, Manhattan (A.K.A. Union Square Park) where a lot of political demonstrations are held. I have a hunch the building(s) they used were borderline tear downs, so the city got them some brand new, state of the art facilities near Battery Park City, lower Manhattan. As an alumnus, maybe <RiverBeast> can get an inside walking tour, give us his opinion? The old building is now a public school, doesn't look too impressive.
|May-09-12|| ||belgradegambit: Well my Brooklyn High School beat Alekhine! Alekhine vs James Madison High School, 1932|
|May-09-12|| ||Riverbeast: <belgradegambit>
You went to Madison?
They have a pretty good chess tradition of their own
Madison won the nationals at least once
Joel Benjamin went there...And his father, Alan Benjamin, was their coach for a long time
|May-09-12|| ||belgradegambit: <Riverbeast> Like you I really wasn't one of the stronger players. After graduating I went to Columbia where we had Salvatore Matera and Robert Gruchacz so although I served as president of the chess club (ie I could be trusted with the money) I never made the first team.|
|May-09-12|| ||Riverbeast: <belgradegambit> When I was there, James Madison was our main rival|
Not just our main rival in NYC, but in the nation
Madison won the nationals one year, then we won it the next
The year Madison won, they had four masters on the 'A' team
|May-09-12|| ||HeMateMe: This Brooklyn team I mentioned, of about 3 years ago, had two players rated 2500--Lenderman, and a guy who is playing, with a hard name to spell remember. Talk about a one-two punch.|
My high school had two players near master strength; we placed second one time, our best finish. I was fifth board.
|May-09-12|| ||Granny O Doul: Hunter HS was a girl's school, I believe, until some time in the 1970's. They certainly have always been full of very bright kids, but in the days before bigtime chess programs, at least, I think they were less the chess-oriented type than what you'd find in the science-specializing schools. Stuyvesant was probably the most successful team on average in the days before heavy Soviet/former Soviet emigration. And they always had a large number of competent players, though Top Four has always been what counted.|
The strongest HS team I remember was the all-former Soviet team from Brooklyn's Edward R Murrow, circa 1992, which comprised Alex Kalikshteyn (approaching 2500), Alex Sidelnikov (~2400), Anna Kahn (~2250), Maxim Royzen (~2200) and Michael Friedman (also about 2200).
|May-09-12|| ||Riverbeast: <Hunter HS was a girl's school, I believe, until some time in the 1970's. They certainly have always been full of very bright kids, but in the days before bigtime chess programs, at least, I think they were less the chess-oriented type than what you'd find in the science-specializing schools. Stuyvesant was probably the most successful team on average in the days before heavy Soviet/former Soviet emigration>|
Hunter has traditionally always had strong chess team
They also had an established chess program and a paid chess coach when I was in high school
I think they were one of the first teams in NYC to have an established chess program
Hunter is also K-12, so they could get chessplayers early...And nurture them for a lot more years
At Stuyvesant, our 'faculty advisor' (not coach) was a teacher who was about 1900 ELO...Weaker than most of the students (certainly weaker than the students on the 'A' team)...And he didn't give chess lessons
Basically, we just had a lot of students who were interested in chess....There were usually at least half a dozen to a dozen kids in the cafeteria playing blitz during lunch hours or after school
But we all mostly studied on our own
|May-09-12|| ||Riverbeast: <Stuyvesant was probably the most successful team on average in the days before heavy Soviet/former Soviet emigration>|
Soviet/former Soviet emigration had started in NYC long before that...
And was still going strong...
The Madison powerhouse national championship team I mentioned? That had four masters?
All four were Russian ;-)
|May-10-12|| ||HeMateMe: My NYC college team had three Russian emigress among our top seven players. We had an "A" and "B" team. An asian emigre was first board. The melting pot.|
|May-10-12|| ||PhilFeeley: <Riverbeast> <HeMateMe> This is great stuff! Has anyone tried to write an article about this and publish it(besides Susan P.)? It's good to have this history written down somewhere. Maybe Jennifer Shahade could be convinced to do it.|
|May-10-12|| ||Riverbeast: <HeHateMe> Our team was pretty much a melting pot|
One team member was a Russian emigre who had grown up in NYC
The others were all born in NYC...Among the team members were two black kids and one Asian
The ethnic makeup of the team was not proportional to Stuyvesant's demographics as a whole...Asian kids were the largest ethnic group in the school, outnumbering caucasians and other non-Asians by a pretty wide margin
I'm pretty sure that's still the case
<This is great stuff! Has anyone tried to write an article about this and publish it>
Someone wrote an article, 'A History of the National HS Chess Championships' some time ago...It might be online
Not sure if it's updated though...It was written quite some time ago
|May-10-12|| ||HeMateMe: <RiverBeast> Yeah, it is fun to compare notes on this stuff. Have you read the book I mentioned, <Freaks and Geniuses>? Its a book about one of the high rated chess programs at a Brooklyn public high school, they touch upon the stuff we've been talking about. |
Interesting personalities that have come out of these schools/chess programs. The book is in the public libraries, worth a look.
|May-10-12|| ||lorker: <riverbeast> How long ago did you graduate from Stuy?|
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