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Jun-14-12
 | | Kinghunt: Yes, it is clear now that the best Kramnik can do is R+N vs. R. He could play on and try to win that, but it's almost guaranteed to be a draw. |
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Jun-14-12
 | | chancho: <Marmot PFL> He did win it twice (2007 and 2009) in spite of being too cautious. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | jussu: Actually, it isn't quite over yet. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | hellopolgar: <Absentee> http://video.russiachess.org/view/1... around 19:36:05 is when Naka/Moro post game conference begins. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | JustAFish: hellopolgar: Moro has risen in my estimation. It takes a great deal of strength of character and graciousness to show up for a press conference after losing such a game. A lot of players (I suspect Naka is in this camp) would likely allow the winner to do the press conference alone. |
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Jun-14-12
 | | chancho: Looks like Tomashevsky is dead meat. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | AuN1: <chancho: Looks like Tomashevsky is dead meat.> with his king so far from his pawn, it doesn't seem like he can make a fortress. should still require some technique though. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | jussu: Kramnik still found a winning trick, but now he will have to prove that he can win Q vs R, which is nowedays hellishly difficult thanks to defensive plans found as a by-product of tablebases. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | AuN1: <jussu: Kramnik still found a winning trick, but now he will have to prove that he can win Q vs R, which is nowedays hellishly difficult thanks to defensive plans found as a by-product of tablebases.> it's mate in about 30 with best play. there are some sneaky moves in there though, especially to force the win of the pawn first. |
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Jun-14-12
 | | Marmot PFL: Allowing Rd7 is incomprehensible. Either Tomashevsky is way overrated (about 1000 points), or has awful nerves, or some kind of deal was made behind the scenes in Moscow. I would hate to think that or I would lose interest in watching the rest of this. |
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Jun-14-12
 | | SatelliteDan: <Jun-14-12 JustAFish: hellopolgar: Moro has risen in my estimation. It takes a great deal of strength of character and graciousness to show up for a press conference after losing such a game. A lot of players (I suspect Naka is in this camp) would likely allow the winner to do the press conference alone.>
Can you post interview? Thanks. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | AuN1: <Marmot PFL: Allowing Rd7 is incomprehensible. Either Tomashevsky is way overrated (about 1000 points), or has awful nerves, or some kind of deal was made behind the scenes in Moscow. I would hate to think that or I would lose interest in watching the rest of this.> he was pretty low on time. it could have been fatigue as well as time trouble. |
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Jun-14-12
 | | technical draw: Kramnik wins! |
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Jun-14-12
 | | Marmot PFL: So simple was 68...Na4 and if 69 Rf8+ Ke5 70 Rf7 Nc5+ and Nxe6 defend c7 and Nxe6 fails to Rxf7. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | jussu: Tomashevsky simply trusted Kramnik's skill and resigned. Probably Kramnik has already proven his abilities somewhere and continuing would have made no sense. Two leaders all of a sudden. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | AuN1: that's weird. kramnik still had a ways to go. he hadn't even gotten the h-pawn yet. i would have kept playing. |
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Jun-14-12
 | | acirce: <Nothing against Kramnik, but he is too cautious to win an event named for Tal.> I know it's cheap to point out the obvious, that he is now in fact in shared lead, but he's also won it twice before. Once with a 1.5 points margin.. |
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Jun-14-12
 | | SatelliteDan: What takes more energy? Attacking or defending in chess? |
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Jun-14-12
 | | Shams: <jussu><Kramnik still found a winning trick, but now he will have to prove that he can win Q vs R, which is nowedays hellishly difficult> Hellishly difficult against an engine, but against another GM? |
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| Jun-14-12 | | jussu: Oh okay, the problem was that the pawn occupies an essential field for Black, making the win much easier. |
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Jun-14-12
 | | SatelliteDan: Shams. Thanks for schedule info earlier. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | jussu: <Shams> Don't ask me, I have never bothered to really learn this ending, alhough I think I have a vague idea about the tempo-losing triange which used to be the hardest part. I have understood that 4-piece tablebases spit out such ways to defend R vs Q that it took everyone by surprise, and now someone equipped with the new knowledge would probably hold the draw against one not familiar with it. |
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Jun-14-12
 | | Open Defence: < acirce: <Nothing against Kramnik, but he is too cautious to win an event named for Tal.>
I know it's cheap to point out the obvious, that he is now in fact in shared lead, but he's also won it twice before. Once with a 1.5 points margin..> winning an event with Tal's name ? we should have a purification ritual! someone sac a rook quick!!! |
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| Jun-14-12 | | jussu: With the pawn on h6, everything turns out really banal. In the final position, if Black didn't have the h-pawn, he could keep on playing with ...Rh6. Every other square on the 6th rank loses the rook, as does going to a lower rank, and going to the 7th or 8th allows Qd6+ and king somewhere 6th, after which black has a choice between getting mated on the 8th or 7th rank. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | Arcturar: Hellopolgar, the fact that he showed up to the press conference at all speaks volumes. Naturally after messing up such a promising position and instantly losing an amazing 1 point lead is awful...This was the tournament of Moro's life and it would have been his first super tournament win. But now all bets need to go to Kramnik; he has captured all initiative. And since Carlsen has apparently woken up he can't bw written off either. |
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