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|Jun-18-12|| ||KKDEREK: Agreed <frogb> Is insane to see Aronian as "tail-ender"..That's how crazy this tourney was. Tomashevsky (so *weak*) is a 2740 player! Actually long time don't see him fare so bad in a supertourney.. I expected bit more from Naka..As for him, at least he will get a feast from <jombar> this week. ;o)|
|Jun-18-12|| ||frogbert: <
loss win draw loss win loss win draw win loss
(ignore the actual order of opponents)
sorry, that was supposed to reflect his actual score, 50%. hence exchange it with this:
loss win draw loss win loss draw win draw
in this case, he would never have been "the leader" but his performance the same, obviously.
|Jun-18-12|| ||frogbert: <That's how crazy this tourney was.>|
i.e. not crazy at all. consider this, in terms of performances:
carlsen 2849 (r: 2835, d: +14)
caruana 2820 (r: 2770, d: +50)
radjabov 2818 (r: 2784, d: +34)
morozevich 2777 (r: 2769 d: +8)
aronian 2771 (r: 2825 d: -54)
kramnik 2773 (r: 2801 d: -28)
grischuk 2778 (r: 2761 d: +17)
nakamura 2733 (r: 2775 d: -42)
mcshane 2741 (r: 2706 d: +35)
tomashevsky 2700 (r: 2738 d: -38)
r = rating
d = tpr - rating
all performances were within 150 points. ratings were (initially) within 130 points. everything is normal as far as i can tell. :o)
|Jun-18-12|| ||edbermac: So MC wins the Tal Memorial with 2 wins and 7 draws? Mischa is spinning in his grave. Maybe it should be renamed the Petrosian Memorial.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||tamar: <frogbert...taking a different angle: both the lost chance against tomashevsky and the near-disaster against kramnik (missing the critical continuation after Qxd4) can be put down as <errors of calculation>. being able to play "superficially" and fast based on intuition serves carlsen well most of the time, but his play is still not perfectly tuned when it comes to understanding exactly *where & when* it's critical to calculate lines extremely precisely. hence, this is an area in which he can still improve.>|
The danger I see is that Carlsen escaped two situations where only his edge starting with White provided enough drawing margin to rescue him.
So if he does not want to put in the opening work, or more likely, distrusts working with computers so closely, he will effectively be giving himself a handicap going forward.
|Jun-18-12|| ||whiteshark: Sometimes things don't change and history repeats itself!|
|Jun-18-12|| ||keypusher: <edbermac: So MC wins the Tal Memorial with 2 wins and 7 draws? Mischa is spinning in his grave. Maybe it should be renamed the Petrosian Memorial.>|
Here's Tal going +2-0=13
Game Collection: Bugojno 1978
Here's Tal's 433 draws of 20 moves or less.
Ignorance is contemptible. Especially when information is so easy to come by.
|Jun-18-12|| ||Strongest Force: For those who feel Carlsen earned his victory via "superior" play I ask you: what do you think would have been the result if Carlsen had the opposite side in his first two games? Be honest.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||eternaloptimist: I figured that Carlsen would probably win this tournament. He didn't play as great in this tournament as he normally does but he still won it & got through it w/o a single loss!! In fact he was the only player to get through it w/o a loss!! That's one of the main reasons why he's won so many tournaments; he keeps making forward progress by getting draws or wins & not getting many losses.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||voyager39: Hopefully we'll have less people cursing drawn games now. Exciting maverick chess doesn't get you the trophy - consistency does.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||Kanatahodets: Rajabov and Aronian speak Russian without a slightest accent. It's quite surprising given more than 20 years break-up of Soviets. I guess their English is also close to perfection but not to the extent of Russian of course.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||nok: <<Kasparov did not have so many high (ELO)rated players to play against in his time. He had to achieve better plus scores in his tournament victories.> it's a total myth that it's easier achieve high performances against highly rated players.>|
Well if people had been found closer to Kasparov's rating, he'd have performed lower against them. Bottom line is that these people did not exist.
|Jun-18-12|| ||hellopolgar: I don't know about russian but Rajabov and Aronian definitely don't speak perfect English.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||Bobwhoosta: <voyager39>
Uh, did you see Carlsen's games? The fact that they were mostly draws does not contradict with his style of consistently taking risks in search of a winning position. He plays long games, takes every opportunity, and defends passionately. It's not the draws we curse, it's the passionless tepid insipidly boring draws. Take our recent World Championship for instance... Carlsen would have played on in almost EVERY position, especially where he had even the slightest advantage. It's the attitude we don't like, not the draws themselves. Chess being a draw (theoretically, though unproven) does not excuse grossly drawish play.
|Jun-18-12|| ||King Death: < hellopolgar: I don't know about russian but Rajabov and Aronian definitely don't speak perfect English.>|
I can say the same thing for plenty of folks I've met whose first language is English so what does this prove? Besides, English isn't an easy language to learn.
|Jun-18-12|| ||Bobwhoosta: btw, kudos to Carlsen for another Super Tourney win. I didn't think he would be able to do it with Caruana having draw odds in the last round. Caruana and some others also played a great tournament. In fact this is the most exciting tournament I've seen in a very long time. Thank you to all the participants for your fighting chess!!!|
|Jun-18-12|| ||virginmind: congratulations to carlsen for winning this great tournament. special mention goes to caruana and mcshane.
and bravo for the organisers - keeping the high class video relay and the general tournament atmosphere.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||King Death: Wasn't there somebody here that posted about how Caruana had this event in the bag going into today? It must be that Aronian didn't see the memo. Maybe it's because his English isn't perfect or at least that's what <hellopolgar> would tell us.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||eternaloptimist: I figured that Carlsen would probably win this tournament. He didn't play as great in this tournament as he normally does but he still won it & got through it w/o a single loss!! In fact he was the only player to get through it w/o a loss!! That's one of the main reasons why he's won so many tournaments; he keeps making forward progress by getting draws or wins & not getting many losses. Someone like mcshane wins a good many games but he tries too hard to win when he doesn't even have much of a chance to win (instead of agreeing to a draw) & ends up losing & doesn't make forward progress. I will have to admit that I enjoy decisive games more than draws but if u r trying to win a tournament sometimes it's better just to take what u can get, be patient & try to win when u have a good chance (or at least a legitimate chance) to win or when u have to win to have a chance to win the tournament.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||Bobwhoosta: <King Death>
English may be the sole language wherein there are more exceptions than rules. It gives us enormous flexibility in speaking, but is insane to try to explain or learn.
If you ever want to learn more about English, just take everything you know about English and contradict it. Then you will know moreer
|Jun-18-12|| ||magnuschess: if radjabov speaks english perfectly also , anyway we would not understand him bec of speed of his speech.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||Kanatahodets: < King Death: < hellopolgar: I don't know about russian but Rajabov and Aronian definitely don't speak perfect English.>
I can say the same thing for plenty of folks I've met whose first language is English so what does this prove? Besides, English isn't an easy language to learn.> My initial point was the correlation between language and chess abilities. In general does the ability to learn languages help to excel in exact sciences. Probably not.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||voyager39: Not a single player covered themselves with any glory here. Maybe we can excuse McShane coz he's a part timer - though today he seemed to be in a hurry to go back and report to his boss at Goldman Sachs.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||Petrosianic: Except Carlsen, who added another clear 1st Place in a strong international tournament to his resume.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||voyager39: <Bobwhoosta> <Take our recent World Championship for instance... Carlsen would have played on in almost EVERY position, especially where he had even the slightest advantage> We can fantasize once Carlsen reaches that stage. I don't have much hope of Carlsen or Aronian qualifying in the next candidates if Tal is any indicator. You never know it maybe Gelfand again in 2013!|
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