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|Jun-20-12|| ||twinlark: Well...by "we" I was referring to humans at large.|
|Jun-20-12|| ||achieve: Hahah! - Humans "at large"?
You drew the broad brush mightily fast then, Billy! ;)
But I must believe you, and in fact thought the discussion "was" enlightening, informative, and delightfully non-conclusive.
"All this hard work... But in the end what for?" -
|Jun-20-12|| ||Bobwhoosta: <achieve>
If we end with more questions than answers, we have done our work by philosophers to come.
|Jun-20-12|| ||achieve: It's your call, <Bobwhoosta>, and disclosure is near. Or in the words of Futurist Ray Kurzweil, "The Singularity is Near".|
(Quoted from the Time Magazine article by the same name earlier this year.)
"In other words does God exist? Well, I'd say not just yet." - Kurzweil
|Jun-20-12|| ||achieve: 2045: The Year Man Will Become Immortal
|Jun-21-12|| ||achieve: Immor<Tal>
Misha shines a new light on the etymology of the word, and personified it and embodied immortality <long> before Kurzweil and his Cyborganic Singularitarians were wetting their diapers.
What a wonderful coincidence and painful contrast that I posted the TIME article on this Memorial page.
|Jun-21-12|| ||Shams: I can't buy Kurzweil's singularity theory, much as I grant its sex appeal.|
|Jun-21-12|| ||achieve: <Shams> It's not a theory as much as it is a goal that is worked towards relentlessly, and the words "buy" and "grant" you are using here are very revealing :)|
NASA hosts the Singularity University, cofounded by Kurzweil, and co-sponsored by Google, Nokia, LinkedIn etc., and has branches in Europe as well; it's THE globalists' toy, and the heart of modern day transhumanism movement. (Check out Global Future 2045 / <GF2045 -- “Russia 2045,” a global social initiative based in Moscow, together with the Eurasian Center for Big History & System Forecasting, Institute of Oriental Studies, Russian Academy of Sciences , are pleased to announce that on February 17-20 the International Conference “Global Future – 2045” will be held in the conference hall of the Radisson-Slavyanskaya Hotel in Moscow.
The goals of the Congress are as follows:
- Discussion and demonstration of the newest developments in the fields of cognitive sciences, robotics, and modeling of living systems;
- Evaluation the potential for transforming planetary civilization in light of the rapid pace of technological development;
Very much for real, and with unlimited funds pushing forward all the time. They (CEO Peter Diamandis et al) predict that Homo Sapiens will be replaced by a far superior cyborg man-machine hybrid, and of course the Nanotech already used in Genetic Engineering is facilitating all this.
Luckily there are critical voices raised but for the time being they can go ahead as they please, government supported, we know what that means, so there really is no stopping this.
Kurzweil called it "the singularity" because no-one including him knows where this in the end will lead to.... At the moment talk and research is very much geared to colonizing space, I kid you not, and "infusing all matter and planetary bodies with intelligence, self-replicating AI", as by their own words.
|Jun-21-12|| ||Shams: <[T]he words "buy" and "grant" you are using here are very revealing :)>|
Pray, what do they supposedly reveal?
<It's not a theory as much as it is a goal that is worked towards relentlessly>
Well, whether it is worked towards or not, and that either consciously or not, the fact remains that I am being asked to recognize that our "machines" are on the cusp of overtaking us in intelligence, and this in or near my lifetime no less, to the effect of soon creating an "event horizon" beyond which events are quite inconceivable to mine or any other human brain. I'm not sure how you would like me to phrase my disbelief of this, but there it is.
|Jun-21-12|| ||twinlark: <Shams>
Dunno about the future but there are hard headed writers that can speculate on this with quite stunning originality. Probably the one that comes to my mind most readily is <Accelerando> by Charles Stross, who also hosts this rather interesting blog: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blo...
|Jun-21-12|| ||twinlark: With this article by Stross being on topic for this off-topic topic: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blo.... And yes, he is a sceptic.|
|Jun-21-12|| ||achieve: <Shams> That was just some never-mind-wordplay.|
In concreto the goal first is to reverse engineer the Human Brain, over the next 20 years, and in the process Substrate Indepent Mind research by eg Halcyon Molecular is geared towards Life <expansion>, the natural precursor of Life <extension>, and a certain Randal Koene explains this very well, he works for Halcyon, and you can find a clip of his talk at the GF2045 conference website.
The GF2045 conference speakers address and participate in research that is stone-hard reality, little speculation in that regard, and from their website:
<Event speakers were comprised of world leading physicists, biologists, anthropologists, sociologists, psychologists, philosophers as well as specialists in the fields of Big History, robotics, brain-computer interfaces, neurosciences and space technology from Russia, the United States, Canada, the Netherlands and other countries.
The three-day event concluded with the finalization of a resolution that will be submitted to the United Nations demanding the implementation of committees to discuss life extension Avatar projects as a necessary tool in the preservation of humankind, as well as defining ethical parameters for scientists worldwide.>
Defining ethical parameters, indeed.
|Jun-21-12|| ||achieve: <[..] to the effect of soon creating an "event horizon" beyond which events are quite inconceivable to mine or any other human brain.>|
This is more or less the confirmation as quoted from the TIME article:
<Maybe we'll merge with them to become super-intelligent cyborgs, using computers to extend our intellectual abilities the same way that cars and planes extend our physical abilities. Maybe the artificial intelligences will help us treat the effects of old age and prolong our life spans indefinitely. Maybe we'll scan our consciousnesses into computers and live inside them as software, forever, virtually. Maybe the computers will turn on humanity and annihilate us. The one thing all these theories have in common is <<< the transformation of our species into something that is no longer recognizable as such to humanity circa 2011.>>>
This transformation has a name: the Singularity.
|Jun-21-12|| ||brankat: You guys are still discussing the Tal Memorial? :-)
And a fine event it was!
|Jun-21-12|| ||achieve: Immor<Tal>ity, indeed.|
|Jun-21-12|| ||Reisswolf: All this discussion about luck!
Forget Carlsen. <I> am a very lucky guy. (At least that is what my girlfriend is constantly reminding me of.)
|Jun-21-12|| ||achieve: <Forget Carlsen. <I> am a very lucky guy. (At least that is what my girlfriend is <<constantly>> reminding me of.)> Oy...|
|Jun-21-12|| ||parmetd: You guys are confusing a lack of skill with luck anyways. Two totally separate concepts.|
Anyways, it was definitely a nice event.
|Jun-21-12|| ||achieve: You can't be serious!
After all the hard work, what is left?
|Jun-21-12|| ||brankat: <You guys are confusing a lack of skill with luck anyways. >|
So then it means Carlsen is lacking in the skills department.
|Jun-21-12|| ||brankat: <achieve< <After all the hard work, what is left?>|
That's when You finally realize that You're totally dependent on Luck :-)
|Jun-21-12|| ||parmetd: No. I did not say *I* was confusing the two concepts. I said others were.|
|Jun-21-12|| ||Bobwhoosta: <parmetd>
It really depends on how the word "luck" is being used, and the intended meaning of the user. Luck can simply mean "events outside of the control of someone", whereas skill "events inside the control".
I understand you probably don't agree that this is the definition of luck, but it is how people use it, without implying that it is some mysterious force.
In that guise, the lack of skill of someone else is in effect a lucky occurance for me. I had nothing to do with it, although my skill may have placed me in a position to take advantage of it.
|Jun-21-12|| ||Appaz: <<Reisswolf> <I> am a very lucky guy. (At least that is what my girlfriend is constantly reminding me of.)>|
Tell her that it's pure skill!
...or maybe not.
|Jun-22-12|| ||polarmis: Evgeny Atarov wrote reports on the Tal Memorial, with extensive comments by Vlad Tkachiev (usually in italics). They're very, very long (speaking as the translator!), but surely the most interesting account of the event on the web. Links:|
Round 1: http://www.whychess.org/en/node/1983
Round 2: http://www.whychess.org/en/node/2016
Round 3: http://www.whychess.org/en/node/2032
Round 4: http://www.whychess.org/en/node/2035
Round 5: http://www.whychess.org/en/node/2047
Round 6: http://www.whychess.org/en/node/2056
Round 7: http://www.whychess.org/en/node/2057
Round 8: http://www.whychess.org/en/node/2058
Round 9: http://www.whychess.org/en/node/2068
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