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Jul-12-12
 | | Marmot PFL: Don't dress like a NY sports fan and you should be OK. |
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Jul-12-12
 | | dx9293: <Prize money> Having been a TD at past World Opens, I have had to calculate prizes for a section or two...it takes less than 20 minutes. <How?> The first thing is to know exactly what the prizes are. The advertized prizes are never the correct ones unless the prize fund is "unconditionally guaranteed," meaning the prizes do not go up or down. Usually the prizes are based on the number of entries, but there is a certain amount guaranteed (say, 70% of the projected prizes). If the number of players exceeds the projection, the prizes are higher than advertized, otherwise they are lower. The Organizer figures out the EXACT prizes, and then creates a prize sheet. A copy of this sheet is posted at all the section charts so that the players know what the actual prizes are, and also given to each computer TD (they calculate prizes, not the floor TDs). As far as actually calculating the prizes, it's pretty easy: clear first place gets the first place prize, for example. If for example there is a tie for first place among three players, the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place prizes are summed and divided equally among the three players (this is different from the Hort System used in Europe). You simply go through the final standings and the prize sheet until its done. True, there can be other factors like prize limits for unrated players and so on, but this is the basic idea. |
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Jul-12-12
 | | Peligroso Patzer: <dx9293: <Prize money> Having been a TD at past World Opens, I have had to calculate prizes for a section or two...it takes less than 20 minutes. ***> Can you explain why Sokolov won $253.00 more than Shabalov ($12,926.50 vs. $12,673.50; see: http://chesstournamentservices.com/...)? They both scored 7.0/9, and although Sokolov won the Armageddon playoff, that would normally just determine trophy and title, not affect cash prizes. |
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Jul-12-12
 | | Shams: <(this is different from the Hort System used in Europe).> How so? |
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Jul-12-12
 | | dx9293: <Peligroso Patzer> Sokolov's extra was the bonus for winning the playoff. <Shams> With the Hort System, the three prizes in my example would be added and split in half first. One half would be awarded equally to the players (as in the USA); but the other half would not be split equally, that portion would be divided 1st-2nd-3rd based on tiebreaks (performance rating, Buchholz, or whatever). |
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Jul-13-12
 | | Shams: <dx9293> I see, thanks. A "bicameral" solution, if you will. |
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Jul-13-12
 | | HeMateMe: Horts, don't it? |
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Jul-13-12
 | | Absentee: Odd how So cultists have yet to show up crying conspiracy. |
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| Jul-13-12 | | fref: <Absentee: Odd how So cultists have yet to show up crying conspiracy.>: ... |
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| Jul-13-12 | | TaongWalangAlam: Konspirasyon! Hu,hu,hu. Konstipasyon! Hu,hu,hu. Kopulasyon! Ha,ha,ha. |
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| Jul-15-12 | | tolengoy: World Open 2012 Standings – Open Section
Final Standings
# Name Rtng Tot
Prize
1 GM Ivan Sokolov 2676 NED 7.0
$12926.50
2 GM Alexander Shabalov 2534 PA 7.0
$12673.50
<3 GM Wesley B So 2650 PHI 6.5 $1484.57> 4 GM Aleksander Lenderman 2613 NY 6.5
$1484.57
5 GM Giorgi Kacheishvili 2605 GEO 6.5
$1484.57
6 GM Ray Robson 2601 FL 6.5
$1484.57
7 GM Yury Shulman 2588 IL 6.5
$1484.57
8 GM Alexander Evdokimov 2544 RUS 6.5
$1484.57
9 IM Marc Tyler Arnold 2529 NY 6.5
$1484.57
10 GM Eduardo Iturrizaga Bonelli 2628 VEN 6.0
$70.34
Wes had a good chance to land on the top if not for missed opportunities in the penultimate round against Shabalov. Still top 3 is not bad at all. <Still top 3 is not bad at all.> not bad indeed if you consider he was in the company of 32 gms out of 118 entries...also including plenty IM's FM's and WGM's... http://chesstournamentservices.com/... Go Wes!http://youtu.be/1wc-AQJ2MYo |
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| Jul-15-12 | | tolengoy: Wes won the blitz side of this event. Finished tied with GM Hess on the top with 9 wins and a solitary loss... Wes is the true world blitz champion.
The one won by Grischuk was a phony. Grischuk won over a group selected by FIDE...most didn't even pass through the rigors of qualification...How could it then be a representation of the Chess World's elite? Whereas this one was an open competition...where all were given a chance to participate. There was no cherry picking made. Long Live Wesley So. The true 2012 World Blitz Champion ! |
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Jul-15-12
 | | perfidious: < tolengoy: ...Wes is the true world blitz champion. > Come again?
<The one won by Grischuk was a phony. Grischuk won over a group selected by FIDE...most didn't even pass through the rigors of qualification...How could it then be a representation of the Chess World's elite?> If the organisers had invited <everyone> in the top 10-15 and gotten all but a couple, would you still say this? <...Whereas this one was an open competition...where all were given a chance to participate. There was no cherry picking made...> Do you really think all the 2700+ players in the world would fly to Philadelphia to avoid the stigma of not being 'cherry-picked'? Besides, I'm sure a fish like me would have crushed players of Carlsen's calibre if I'd been invited. That's it-they were scared to death! |
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Jul-15-12
 | | dx9293: So is a very strong player, but to say he is the "true World Blitz Champion" because he <tied> for first at the World Open blitz is laughable. |
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| Jul-15-12 | | tolengoy: <Come again? >
Long Live Wesley So! The true 2012 World Blitz Champion. <If the organisers had invited <everyone> in the top 10-15 and gotten all but a couple, would you still say this?> Of course. Wesley remains world champion. He qualified fair and square but what did FIDE do? He dropped him in favor of their favored lot. This supposedly elite assembled were not even the best in blitz...the elo rating used pertains to classical chess. They were handpicked like the spoiled cherries they are. <Do you really think all the 2700+ players in the world would fly to Philadelphia to avoid the stigma of not being 'cherry-picked'?> Well, they don't need to...at the rate they are being fed their daily supply of quaker oats. Spoonfed like the pampered goldfish they truly are...if they are left in the open, the barakudas will eat them alive. <Besides, I'm sure a fish like me would have crushed players of Carlsen's calibre if I'd been invited. That's it-they were scared to death!> Carlsen's ascendancy to the top of the leaderboard is a product of multifarious invitations from discriminating organizers- giving him elo points in a silver platter. He is overated. He will be exposed once he gets beaten by a 2500 rated player...if ever he gets the courage to join an open tournament than enjoy being pampered like a baby. |
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| Jul-15-12 | | Jim Bartle: "Of course. Wesley remains world champion. He qualified fair and square but what did FIDE do? He dropped him in favor of their favored lot. This supposedly elite assembled were not even the best in blitz...the elo rating used pertains to classical chess. They were handpicked like the spoiled cherries they are." OK, let's all agree So was kept out of the World Blitz tournament unfairly. (Not sure about that, but let's suppose.) Why would anybody just assume that had he played he would have won? "Carlsen's ascendancy to the top of the leaderboard is a product of multifarious invitations from discriminating organizers- giving him elo points in a silver platter. He is overated." True. Look at all those gruesome defeats at the Tal Memorial. |
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| Jul-15-12 | | tolengoy: <So is a very strong player, but to say he is the "true World Blitz Champion" because he <tied> for first at the World Open blitz is laughable.> There were 71 entries in the World Open. Compared to 16 handpicked cherries in the bogus World Blitz Championship. Who's laughing now. Wes is Asia's best in blitz. Breezing past the opposition like a hurricane.
http://asianchess.net/wp/?p=1641
Asia is home of the bulk of the world's population. Asia is the world's largest and most populous continent, located primarily in the eastern and northern hemispheres. It covers 8.7% of the Earth's total surface area (or 30% of its land area) and with approximately 3.9 billion people, it hosts 60% of the world's current human population. Whereas the bogus World Blitz Championship can only muster 16 handpicked spoiled cherries. |
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| Jul-15-12 | | Jim Bartle: Oh I see. The best chess players must be distributed evenly throughout the world, according to population. That must be true in basketball as well, right? And football? Yet Asian teams rarely advance very far in international competitions in those sports. Yet Asia completely dominates in sports such as squash and badminton, as well as some martial arts, and has competitive teams in cricket. Relative population doesn't matter. What counts is the quality of the players. Plus, considering the World Open superior because it had more competitors is just silly. |
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Jul-15-12
 | | dx9293: There's no reasoning with <tolengoy>, <Jim Bartle>. He's going on my ignore list. I like Wesley So's games. He plays enterprising chess. But I think his fans are even more annoying than Carlsen's. Carlsen's fans are just obnoxious. So's fans are obnoxious AND delusional. |
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| Jul-16-12 | | tolengoy: <tolengoy>: You want answers? <dx9293> : I think I'm entitled to. <tolengoy>: *You want answers?* <dx9293> : *I want the truth!* <tolengoy>: *You can't handle the truth! http://youtu.be/5j2F4VcBmeo |
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| Jul-16-12 | | abcpokerboy: Would you like to see real steam from Tolengoy? Ask him about the recent Pacquaio fight. That'll make his talk of Wesley So seem reasonable, I'd guess. |
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| Jul-16-12 | | voratco: <<Do you really think all the 2700+ players in the world would fly to Philadelphia to avoid the stigma of not being 'cherry-picked'?> Well, they don't need to...at the rate they are being fed their daily supply of quaker oats. Spoonfed like the pampered goldfish they truly are...if they are left in the open, the barakudas will eat them alive.> Tolengoy speaks the truth. These 2700-2800 had been spoon feed for the longest time and when you let them go on their own to search for a higher ground, they will not know how to act. They will be lost in the dark and then gone. <dx9293: There's no reasoning with <tolengoy>, <Jim Bartle>. He's going on my ignore list.> Another one bites the dust... |
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| Jul-16-12 | | voratco: <tolengoy: <tolengoy>: You want answers? <dx9293> : I think I'm entitled to. <tolengoy>: *You want answers?* <dx9293> : *I want the truth!* <tolengoy>: *You can't handle the truth! http://youtu.be/5j2F4VcBmeo>
Honor, code, loyalty. We use them a fenceline. LOL. |
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Jul-16-12
 | | Absentee: <Tolengoy speaks the truth. These 2700-2800 had been spoon feed for the longest time and when you let them go on their own to search for a higher ground, they will not know how to act. They will be lost in the dark and then gone.> Making believe?
Carlsen and the other 2700-2800 have already gone through opens and minor tournaments and blazed right through them. So is still there. Remind me again: which major events has So won, exactly? |
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| Jul-16-12 | | voratco: When was the last time you saw Carlsen in an open tournament? Reminds me again: When he lost to a no name guy rated 2500? |
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