| page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45
|1. D G Fridman vs J Gustafsson
||½-½||35||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||D02 Queen's Pawn Game|
|2. G Meier vs M Bartel
||1-0||39||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||E04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3|
|3. Leko vs Ponomariov
||½-½||38||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||D27 Queen's Gambit Accepted, Classical|
|4. Caruana vs Naiditsch
||½-½||60||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||C45 Scotch Game|
|5. Karjakin vs Kramnik
||½-½||32||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||C45 Scotch Game|
|6. Ponomariov vs Caruana
||1-0||36||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||B30 Sicilian|
|7. D G Fridman vs Leko
||½-½||27||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||E06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3|
|8. J Gustafsson vs Kramnik
||0-1||27||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||E92 King's Indian|
|9. M Bartel vs Karjakin
||0-1||34||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||E12 Queen's Indian|
|10. Naiditsch vs G Meier
||½-½||53||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||A30 English, Symmetrical|
|11. Karjakin vs Naiditsch
||½-½||59||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||C67 Ruy Lopez|
|12. Leko vs J Gustafsson
||1-0||45||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||C78 Ruy Lopez|
|13. Kramnik vs M Bartel
||1-0||50||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||A25 English|
|14. Caruana vs D G Fridman
||1-0||52||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||B12 Caro-Kann Defense|
|15. G Meier vs Ponomariov
||0-1||52||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||D12 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav|
|16. Leko vs Caruana
||½-½||42||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||C18 French, Winawer|
|17. J Gustafsson vs M Bartel
||½-½||35||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||D45 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav|
|18. Ponomariov vs Karjakin
||½-½||46||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||C67 Ruy Lopez|
|19. D G Fridman vs G Meier
||½-½||32||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||E21 Nimzo-Indian, Three Knights|
|20. Naiditsch vs Kramnik
||½-½||24||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||C43 Petrov, Modern Attack|
|21. Caruana vs J Gustafsson
||1-0||35||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||C78 Ruy Lopez|
|22. M Bartel vs Naiditsch
||0-1||110||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||C65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense|
|23. Karjakin vs D G Fridman
||1-0||46||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||B12 Caro-Kann Defense|
|24. G Meier vs Leko
||½-½||24||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||E06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3|
|25. Kramnik vs Ponomariov
||½-½||37||2012||Dortmund Sparkassen||D27 Queen's Gambit Accepted, Classical|
| page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45
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|Jul-21-12|| ||BUNA: <Eyal>
But you still have to spot the moment in the game, where Kramnik "lost his balance". Where he miscalculated or misjudged the position. Where his will to win, because of his former disappointment, took the better of him.
|Jul-21-12|| ||Eggman: <<Pono and Karjakin both being undefeated have even better odds of emerging as winner because they would beat Kramnik and Caruana on tiebreaks.>>|
Kramnik? Yes, I suppose a six-way tie for first at 5.5/9 is a distinct possibility - it requires only that Kramnik wins and that the rest of the game are drawn.
|Jul-21-12|| ||ooda: <Kramnik? Yes, I suppose a six-way tie for first at 5.5/9 is a distinct possibility - it requires only that Kramnik wins and that the rest of the game are drawn.>|
I deleted my post when I realised it was inaccurate because Kramnik is only on 4.5
Anyway should be an interesting final round regardless with Karjakin and Ponomariov being favourites to win the tournament imo.
Karjakin - Gustafsson
Kramnik - Meier
Bartel - Caruana
Naiditsch - Leko
Ponomariov - Fridman
|Jul-21-12|| ||fisayo123: I guess Kramnik needs to polish his king's pawn defenses ahead of the candidates now that he has lost to e4 specialists in Caruana and Karjakin. He hasn't had any luck in the Petrov and his opponents are not necessarily obliged to play the berlin endgame. Fortunately most if not all his opponents are stronger with d4 but they could target his KPOD's based on his recent showings.|
|Jul-21-12|| ||BUNA: <fisayo123: I guess Kramnik needs to polish his king's pawn defenses ahead of the candidates now that he has lost to e4 specialists in Caruana and Karjakin.>|
Kramnik hasn't lost to Karjakin in Dortmund.
And he has lost to Caruana somewhere in the early middlegame.
Why? Good question.
|Jul-21-12|| ||fisayo123: <BUNA> I never typed he lost to Karjakin in Dortmund.
<And he has lost to Caruana somewhere in the early middlegame. Why? Good question.> Im saying that Kramnik is more formidable against d4 than against e4. He could actually "win" some games against 2700+ with his Nimzo or QGD meran. He is much more comfortable with these positions as evidenced by his play in the middle-game here. Of course I might be jumping the gun a little as im sure he would fix his e4 responses come March 13th.|
|Jul-21-12|| ||Chess for life: Kramnik, in true Kramnik style, is going to win his round 9 game, there's no doubt about it!|
|Jul-21-12|| ||Eyal: Speaking specifically of the Berlin, Kramnik of course made it famous in his match with Kasparov; but apart from that match I don't think it was ever his main weapon in classical games against 1.e4 until the last couple of years, starting from London 2010 (he dumped the Petrov as a main weapon after the Tal Memorial that year). The more often you play something, the more chances you have to lose once in a while. According to this database Kramnik lost six classical games in the Berlin throughout all of his career, and three of them (to Karjakin, McShane & Caruana) are recent ones.|
|Jul-21-12|| ||fisayo123: Now that you put it that way <Eyal>, hehe.|
|Jul-21-12|| ||csmath: What is interesting is that Kramnik has a lot of problems handling games against Karjakin and Caruana. Lost 4, won none. The young players have little respect for him, it seems. |
This particular game showed Caruana avoiding Berlin then taking aggressive middlegame without hesitation. Caruana missed tactical kill just before regulation.
He is obviously not afraid of Kramnik's positional prowess.
|Jul-21-12|| ||niemzo: Speaking of the Petrov, what happened to it? I haven't seen it in a while. Is it a trend or did people find a way to get play in it?|
|Jul-21-12|| ||mrbasso: <Chess for life>
Not sure about that. He needs to strike back but does he have the energy?
|Jul-21-12|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <csmath: What is interesting is that Kramnik has a lot of problems handling games against Karjakin and Caruana. Lost 4, won none. *** >|
Your tally presumably includes 2 losses each to Karjakin and Caruana, but it seems that Kramnik’s cumulative record against these two opponents is actually even a little worse than this.
This page: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... currently gives the score between Karjakin and Kramnik in classical games as being in Karjakin’s favor by +2 -0 =6.
The following three games, however (all won by Karjakin), all appear to have been played at a classical time control, so it seems that Kramnik actally has 3 losses to him:
Karjakin vs Kramnik, 2004
Karjakin vs Kramnik, 2010
Karjakin vs Kramnik, 2011
|Jul-21-12|| ||Marmot PFL: <niemzo> Kramnik played the Petrov against Naiditsch, and drew easily. He might think he needs to vary his openings more, or just got tired of it.|
|Jul-21-12|| ||Eyal: Kramnik stopped using the Petrov as a main weapon after the Tal Memorial 2010 where he got into serious trouble with it in two games - vs. Karjakin (which he lost) and Nakamura (which he barely managed to draw), so it stands to reason his decision to switch to the Berlin had something to do with that. Both games were played in the 5.Nc3 ("Nimzo-Petrov") line, where apparently various dangerous ideas have been found for White; Gelfand, who used to be the opening's other major practitioner, also experienced problems in several of his later Petrov games in this line. But it may still be perfectly playable with renewed preparation efforts.|
|Jul-21-12|| ||Eyal: <The following three games, however (all won by Karjakin), all appear to have been played at a classical time control, so it seems that Kramnik actally has 3 losses to him:|
Karjakin vs Kramnik, 2004
Karjakin vs Kramnik, 2010
Karjakin vs Kramnik, 2011>
The Karjakin win from 2004 isn't classical, it was played in a blitz or rapid tournament. It's interesting, though, that Karjakin actually came very close to beating Kramnik in a classical game they played in Dortmund that year (when Karjakin was only 14): Karjakin vs Kramnik, 2004.
|Jul-21-12|| ||AuN1: i wish kramnik would just grow a pair and go back to playing the sicilian defense. he had some great results with it.|
|Jul-21-12|| ||Shams: <Eyal> <But it may still be perfectly playable with renewed preparation efforts.>|
It's tremendously satisfying to see the Petroff on its back foot for once, I have to say.
|Jul-21-12|| ||tarraschfan: So far the tournament is proceeeding as expected. I wonder why Germany cannot produce someone like Caruana, Carlsen or Nakumara. The last strong player who belonged to the world elite was Huebner, but, of course, he wasn't worldchampion material. I guess one has to go back to Lasker. Very strange. 80 Million people and no talent whatsover for decades. What is wrong with this country?|
|Jul-21-12|| ||csmath: Karjakin has clearly the easiest job to win the tournament now. His opponent is Gustafsson who is clearly not suited for this competition and Karjakin plays white pieces. Unless some striking surprise he should win this tournament by beating Gustafsson. |
Pono has relatively easy job against Fridman as well.
|Jul-22-12|| ||Dr Esenville: Fridman - Naiditsch 0-1|
|Jul-22-12|| ||niemzo: Thanks for the answers, especially to Eyal.|
|Jul-22-12|| ||Isbjorn: Impressive performance by Caruana against Kramnik!
Has Kramnik lost a little bit of his precision? I think he may have been the player who most consistently found the moves evaluated as best by Stockfish/Houdini at depth 18-20, with Carlsen not far behind.
|Jul-22-12|| ||Bobby Fiske: Dont forget Naiditsch outstanding performance, on pair with the worlds elite players with just one round to go!|
|Jul-22-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Well, Naiditsch has drawn four of the "big five," with only Leko to go. As far as I can tell, not a single one of the bottom five has defeated one of the top five yet.|
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