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TOURNAMENT STANDINGS
(SPECIAL SCORING IN EFFECT: 3 POINTS PER WIN; 1 POINT PER DRAW)
Biel Chess Festival Tournament

Wang Hao19(+6 -3 =1)[view games]
Magnus Carlsen18(+4 -0 =6)[view games]
Anish Giri16(+4 -2 =4)[view games]
Hikaru Nakamura16(+4 -2 =4)[view games]
Etienne Bacrot7(+1 -5 =4)[view games]
Viktor Bologan4(+1 -6 =1)[view games]
Alexander Morozevich0(+0 -2 =0)[view games]

 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 30  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. Carlsen vs Nakamura ½-½39 2012 Biel Chess FestivalB53 Sicilian
2. Wang Hao vs Bacrot 1-036 2012 Biel Chess FestivalE97 King's Indian
3. Morozevich vs A Giri 0-151 2012 Biel Chess FestivalD97 Grunfeld, Russian
4. Carlsen vs Wang Hao 1-035 2012 Biel Chess FestivalE32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
5. Nakamura vs A Giri ½-½41 2012 Biel Chess FestivalD02 Queen's Pawn Game
6. Bacrot vs Morozevich 1-025 2012 Biel Chess FestivalD31 Queen's Gambit Declined
7. A Giri vs Bacrot 1-037 2012 Biel Chess FestivalE97 King's Indian
8. Wang Hao vs Nakamura 1-047 2012 Biel Chess FestivalB96 Sicilian, Najdorf
9. A Giri vs Wang Hao 0-157 2012 Biel Chess FestivalE83 King's Indian, Samisch
10. Bacrot vs Carlsen ½-½56 2012 Biel Chess FestivalE00 Queen's Pawn Game
11. Bologan vs Nakamura 0-181 2012 Biel Chess FestivalD20 Queen's Gambit Accepted
12. Wang Hao vs Bologan 1-047 2012 Biel Chess FestivalA58 Benko Gambit
13. Nakamura vs Bacrot 1-034 2012 Biel Chess FestivalE92 King's Indian
14. Carlsen vs A Giri ½-½49 2012 Biel Chess FestivalC42 Petrov Defense
15. Nakamura vs Carlsen ½-½33 2012 Biel Chess FestivalD91 Grunfeld, 5.Bg5
16. A Giri vs Bologan 1-092 2012 Biel Chess FestivalE60 King's Indian Defense
17. Bacrot vs Wang Hao ½-½33 2012 Biel Chess FestivalD90 Grunfeld
18. Bologan vs Carlsen 0-140 2012 Biel Chess FestivalB30 Sicilian
19. Wang Hao vs Carlsen 0-160 2012 Biel Chess FestivalE15 Queen's Indian
20. A Giri vs Nakamura ½-½30 2012 Biel Chess FestivalD11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
21. Bologan vs Bacrot ½-½35 2012 Biel Chess FestivalE70 King's Indian
22. Bacrot vs A Giri 0-135 2012 Biel Chess FestivalB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
23. Nakamura vs Wang Hao 0-141 2012 Biel Chess FestivalA23 English, Bremen System, Keres Variation
24. Carlsen vs Bologan 1-040 2012 Biel Chess FestivalA59 Benko Gambit
25. A Giri vs Carlsen ½-½37 2012 Biel Chess FestivalE15 Queen's Indian
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Aug-04-12
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  Sokrates: <tolengoy: <That, however, doesn't diminish the greatness of Carlsen by a iota.> Magnus horrific loss and early elimination in the blitz edition of this event surely diminished his greatness....not only by an iota but by 50 mega tons of TNT..> Another hilarious post. Please stop, I can hardly breathe. "50 tons of TNT" - wow, that's a powerful metaphor - can't compete here - you win by force!
Aug-04-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: In the aftermath of losing to that 2700+ donk Bacrot in the blitz, Carlsen might as well fold his tent. His career is done. Winning the WC and beating all comers won't be enough to overcome the stigma.
Aug-04-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Absentee: Great, now the filipino trolls are going to crap all over this page too.
Aug-04-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Rolfo: <Great, now the filipino trolls are going to crap all over this page too.>

They may have their opinions, their imaginary and colored way of describing their thinking. But alas they also have distorted facts, misunderstandings and some belittling.

Aug-04-12  frogbert: <Oddly enough, here http://www.2700chess.com he seems to be rated 2742, But here http://www.ittfranking.com/gen/worl... they say that his rating is actually 2747 ...>

meta, more scary in my opinon: the ittf-ranking site says that <zhang jike> is rated <2921!> jikes ... carlsen can go home now. ;o)

Aug-04-12  tahdah: <and his achievement is highly respectable. That, however, doesn't diminish the greatness of Carlsen by a iota.>

I disagree, Carlsen is way way rated above than anybody else. Once upon a time, someone said that 50 elo points does not make any difference in playing strength. That statement is not true nor correct as evidenced in this toynament, it was a product of a wild imagination, someone who can't separate facts from fictions. It is now a fact that Carlsen was below his godly standard. He should have won Biel uncontested contrary to just landing neath Hao. In fact, Carlsen should have won 10 games. No questions asked.

That diminishes his greatness (which is yet to be attained)even with the help of the circus organizers.

Aug-04-12  frogbert: according to the rating system - which is the basis of *all* the players' ratings - carlsen scored more than half a point <above> his expected score, based on the difference between his rating and his opponents' ratings. he had a tpr of 2879, clearly above his own rating and the highest in the tournament.

relatively though, wang hao overperformed even more. carlsen only plays his own games, and he certainly delivered according to expectations. imo wang hao's win was actually *more* due to his bigger overperformance than the scoring system in effect.

we can't really be too bothered that some peanut brains don't have a clue about neither ratings nor performances. nor very much else, it seems. anyway, when one doesn't understand even the basics regarding ratings - and shows no intent of wanting to learn anything - then one disqualifies oneself from having any opinion at all wrt rating-related matters. in this case that's entirely fine.

rejoin the debate when you've educated yourself, tahdah. until then you're simply noise.

Aug-04-12  tahdah: <50 elo points does not make any difference in playing strength>

I wonder who said this?

Aug-04-12  tahdah: <imo wang hao's win was actually *more* due to his bigger overperformance than the scoring system in effect.>

A lot spinning wheels to get the cherries aligned.
What's next, underperformance or at par with his current rating? Another concocted, mumbo jumbo work of art. Good for playing tarot reading.

Aug-04-12  tahdah: Yeah, it must be the sun, the moon and the stars.
Aug-04-12  frogbert: noise protection enabled. :o)
Aug-04-12  tahdah: bye bye froggie, can't handle the truth, cover your ears. :o)
Aug-04-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Jim Bartle: Pure ignorance.
Aug-04-12  tahdah: Pure facts I laid out. It came from the houymnmn mouth.
Aug-04-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: Someone has to be the first to stop.
Aug-05-12  dumbgai: <meta, more scary in my opinon: the ittf-ranking site says that <zhang jike> is rated <2921!> jikes ... carlsen can go home now. ;o)>

Forget chessboxing, let's have chess-tabletennis! The ultimate sport that combines quickness of mind with quickness of body!

Aug-06-12  Nicocobas: I understand that Leinier Dominguez was scheduled to play in the Biel Chess Tournament. Does anyone know why he didn't participate?
Aug-06-12  kia0708: do you know of any video + analysis of any of the games ?
Aug-06-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Eyal: There are videos with the players' comments on the games throughout the tournament at http://www.youtube.com/user/bielche...
Aug-06-12  Nicocobas: Thanks kia0708 and Eyval.I went to the site but didn't see how to find the answer to my question.
Aug-08-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  zakkzheng: Magnus Carlsen should of got first place in the Biel chess festival, but the special effect with 3 points a win and 1 point a draw got Magnus 1 point behind the champion Chinese Grandmaster Wang Hao! I believe that every tournament should reward the wins with 3 points and the draws with one point because this encourages people to win instead of a draw. If someone is one point ahead of someone using the rule of the draws in the last round,if they draw, then someone else might win. This is why I like to use this ideal form of counting points. I think this is a better way of counting how many points you have. :)
Aug-08-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: I don't think these top boys care much about these scoring points to play much harder for a win than normal since only rating points seem to matter but it sure is nice to have these kinds of progressive scores.
Aug-11-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Octavia: this comp shows that the scoring system is silly - Carlsen was the winner to my mind.

I once won a tournament section with this system, but its not fair. a draw is half as much as a win, not slightly more than a loss!

How's that for an erudite explanation?

Aug-12-12  SugarDom: The world's most popular sports, "football" uses this system. It's silly?

You may say it's "chess" not "football". But both have "win", "loss" and "draw".

What's the difference? - Chess is supposed to be boring?

Aug-13-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Pedro Fernandez: 3:1 baremo indeed it is stupid.
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