|Russian Superfinals (Tiebreak) (2012)|
Played at the Radisson Slavinskaya hotel in Moscow, Russia 13 August 2012, to decide the Russian Superfinals (2012) which had ended in a 6-way tie. Time control: 15 minutes per game, with an addition of 10 seconds per move from move one. (1) Dmitry Andreikin won with 4/5 and became the 65th Russian Champion. Photo: http://chess-news.ru/sites/default/.... Crosstable:
1 2 3 4 5 6
1 Andreikin * ½ 1 1 ½ 1 4
2 Karjakin ½ * ½ ½ 1 1 3½
3 Svidler 0 ½ * 1 ½ 1 3
4 Jakovenko 0 ½ 0 * 1 1 2½
5 Potkin ½ 0 ½ 0 * ½ 1½
6 Alekseev 0 0 0 0 ½ * ½
| page 1 of 1; 15 games
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 4 OF 4 ·
|Aug-13-12|| ||whiteshark: Round 5 results:
Yakovenko - Svidler 0:1
Alekseev - Karjakin 0:1
Andrejkin - Potkin 1/2
|Aug-13-12|| ||parmetd: any really special games to check out?|
|Aug-13-12|| ||waustad: <parm>There were some impressive errors.|
|Aug-13-12|| ||Eyal: Andreikin's 8 & 13 move draws vs. Karjakin and Potkin respectively are a real hoot... But seriously, his win vs. Svidler (with the French) is a nice game, as <BUNA> mentioned.|
|Aug-13-12|| ||frogbert: so andreikin turned out to be the strongest of the 1990s in this championship...|
|Aug-13-12|| ||OBIT: You Karjakin supporters can make your justifications for his 8-move draw vs Andreikin, but it was a serious error in judgment. By making no attempt to beat Andreikin, Karjakin essentially pinned his hopes on Svidler getting at least a draw against Andreikin, and, based on how both Svidler and Andreikin have played recently in tournaments with fast time controls, these hopes were at best a roll of the dice. |
Here's a thought: instead of hoping for Svidler to do his dirty work for him, how about Karjakin tries to beat Andeikin on his own. His substantially better blitz rating and current World champion status certainly makes this sound feasible. And, please, don't anybody make some lame excuse about how he had the Black pieces. This is blitz, where color matters less, and moving second even gives you more opportunities to determine the type of game you'll be playing. In fact, in this playoff tournament Black even finished with a plus score, winning 5 games to White's 4.
|Aug-13-12|| ||cro777: Two champions from Saratov (Russia).
"I have already congratulated Natasha and today happened another success of Saratov chess! Congrats Dima Andreikin with very confident play!" (GM Eljanov)
|Aug-13-12|| ||Eggman: <<If it was my tournament I would throw their prize money at their feet and tell them to piss off.>>|
If it was my tournament I would have had Sofia Rules in place, as they should always be, so that I wouldn't have to conclude the tournament by telling the players to piss off.
|Aug-13-12|| ||BUNA: <OBIT: You Karjakin supporters. I tell you that!>|
Could you name one? :-)
|Aug-13-12|| ||Natalia Pogonina: Grats to Dima Andreikin. We are representing the same city. Double gold for Saratov this year.|
|Aug-13-12|| ||OBIT: <BUNA> Uh, sorry... I must have walked into the wrong room by mistake. :)|
|Aug-14-12|| ||brankat: <OBIT> No, You didn't. Karjakin does have a lot of supporters (fans). And not only in Russia and Ukraine. Quite deservedly so, too.|
|Aug-14-12|| ||parmetd: OBIT, I think it wasn't blitz but rapid. (15" 10' I think?)|
|Aug-14-12|| ||brankat: Yes, it was rapid T-controls.|
|Aug-14-12|| ||WiseWizard: Lol Karjakin 8 moves? Coward. Supposed to be the world rapid champion. Must not have learned anything from the candidates tournament. |
To be World Champion you need competitive fire and a killer instinct. Accepting an 8 move draw when your the stronger player reveals what a deep character flaw this kid has, he'll never be a champion. Is this top chess nowadays? Suckers are too "professional" to fight in every game? What could possibly be the reason to accept an 8 move draw in the playoff for your country's championship?!!? Would Carlsen ever do that? your #1 competitor? He better kindle that competitive fire right now if he ever wants to do anything in chess, or is he too comfortable? is he happy collecting checks? Lol, fish.
and why play if youre not trying to be the best? why be a professional?
I will happily recant everything I said if there is a valid reason why he accepted this draw. Fear is not one of them.
|Aug-14-12|| ||WiseWizard: <Natalia Pogonina> Please pass my message along to Karjakin, he should have to explain himself to the chess media, fans and tournament sponsors as to why he engaged in such an act of cowardice in accepting an 8 move draw when his country's title is on the line.|
|Aug-14-12|| ||WiseWizard: Equal positions are not drawn positions. In a rapid game he should be striving for fighting positions from the black side.|
|Aug-14-12|| ||brankat: <WiseWizard> Funny how You forgot to mention D.Andreikin's role/part in the game.|
|Aug-14-12|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <Eggman: <<If it was my tournament I would throw their prize money at their feet and tell them to piss off.>>
If it was my tournament I would have had Sofia Rules in place, as they should always be, so that I wouldn't have to conclude the tournament by telling the players to piss off.>|
Sofia rules make too much sense for the chess world.
|Aug-14-12|| ||OBIT: <brankat> Andreikin's rapid play skills are better than most fans realize. In fact I considered him the 2nd best rapid player in the playoffs. But, that's beside the point, and I think <WiseWizard> is correct: regardless of how dangerous an opponent Andreikin was, Karjakin had to try to beat him in that situation. Karjakin was a half-point down, and agreeing to the quick draw relinquished one of his best chances to make up that deficit and more. If he drew with Andreikin after a hard game, fine. Even if he lost the game, fine. The important thing was to at least try.|
|Aug-14-12|| ||Rolfo: <Sofia rules make too much sense for the chess world.>|
For some reason I think Sofia rules are hard to sell in Russia
|Aug-14-12|| ||polarmis: <Rolfo>, don't think so. The rule for the main event was no draw offers until move 40 (you can always still draw by repetition). It was also move 30 or 40 at the Tal Memorial. I guess the rule wasn't in force for the rapid games.|
|Aug-14-12|| ||Rolfo: Ok polarmis. I was for a second thinking that old Danailov affairs may have poisoned the concept of Sofia rule in Russia. Lucky to see I was wrong|
|Aug-14-12|| ||Eyal: <The rule for the main event was no draw offers until move 40 (you can always still draw by repetition).>|
Indeed - 15 out of the 34 draws in the main event were by repetition, before move 40... A few of those resulted from forcing lines that didn't leave any reasonable alternative for either side, but as far as I could see most didn't. If both players want to draw without really playing the game out, they'll find a way to do it with or without Sofia rules.
|Aug-14-12|| ||OBIT: <Eyal> Agreed, and give it a little more time. The GMs are still relatively inexperienced at creating three-fold reps to get around the Sofia rules, but they will get better at it.|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 4 OF 4 ·
Spot an error? Please suggest your correction and help us eliminate database mistakes!
NOTE: You need to pick a username and password to post a reply.
Getting your account takes less than a minute, is totally anonymous, and 100% free—plus, it
entitles you to features otherwise unavailable.
Pick your username now and join the chessgames community!
If you already have an account, you should
Please observe our posting guidelines:
- No obscene, racist, sexist, profane, raunchy, or disgusting language.
- No spamming, advertising, duplicate or nonsense posts.
- No malicious personal attacks, including cyber stalking, systematic antagonism, or gratuitous name-calling of any member Iincludinfgall Admin and Owners or any of their family, friends, associates, or business interests. If you think someone is an idiot, then provide evidence that their reasoning is invalid and/or idiotic, instead of just calling them an idiot. It's a subtle but important distinction, even in political discussions.
- Nothing in violation of United States law.
- No malicious posting of or linking to personal, private, and/or negative information (aka "doxing" or "doxxing") about any member, (including all Admin and Owners) or any of their family, friends, associates, or business interests. This includes all media: text, images, video, audio, or otherwise. Such actions will result in severe sanctions for any violators.
- NO TROLLING. Admin and Owners know it when they see it, and sanctions for any trolls will be significant.
- Any off-topic posts which distract from the primary topic of discussion are subject to removal.
- The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by Moderators is expressly prohibited.
- The use of "sock puppet" accounts in an attempt to undermine any side of a debate—or to create a false impression of consensus or support—is prohibited.
- All decisions with respect to deleting posts, and any subsequent discipline, are final, and occur at the sole discretion of the Moderators, Admin, and Owners.
- Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.
NOTE: Keep all discussion on the topic of this page.
This forum is for this specific tournament and nothing else. If you want to discuss chess in general, or
this site, visit the Kibitzer's Café.
Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors. All Moderator actions taken are at the sole discretion of the Admin and Owners—who will strive to act fairly and consistently at all times.
your profile |
Premium Membership |
Kibitzer's Café |
Biographer's Bistro |
new kibitzing |
Tournament Index |
Player Directory |
Notable Games |
World Chess Championships |
Opening Explorer |
Guess the Move |
Game Collections |
ChessBookie Game |
Chessgames Challenge |
privacy notice |
Copyright 2001-2019, Chessgames Services LLC