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|Sep-19-12|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <Conrad93: I agree, Achk.
Armenia was very lucky that Russia didn't have Svidler and Morozevich on the team.>
So what's your excuse for the other four Olympiads?
|Sep-19-12|| ||Layson: <mannypakyu: Check out this out guys!|
Out of 157 board 1 players, only three emerged invincible--with no losses to show...On top of the list is Wesley (11 games played)..then Le Quang Liem (10 games played) ...and Gelfand (8 games played)....
All others wounded in battle...not so great after all...>
I thought Gelfand had a fairly crappy olympiad tournament myself. It's a good result by So, but not an overwhelming one.
|Sep-19-12|| ||Marmot PFL: < Wait - so <LOSING> a game, and scoring 7 or 7.5 out of 10, is better than going <UNDEFEATED> with 6.5 out of 11?! That's crazy talk.>|
Performance rating is still the best indicator or quality of play.
World’s No. 2 Player Leads Armenia to a Gold Medal http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/c...
The players were rewarded with a parade through the capital and a meeting with the President. Only Paul Morphy and Bobby Fischer ever came close to this kind of recognition in the U.S.
|Sep-19-12|| ||perfidious: What this latest sock puppet ignores-because it doesn't fit with his carefully crafted rationalisations-is that, in order for one to succeed at the very highest levels, plus scores will be needed, especially in tournament play. Beating a couple weak players and drawing every other game won't be enough when the field is nothing but 2700+ players. What, pray tell will these so-called fans harp on when their hero's streak (which is artificial anyway) comes to an end?|
Oh, I've overlooked the obvious-Wesley's never played one of those elite events. Might that be because, as has been pointed out elsewhere, when given a shot, he's scored well, but hasn't performed quite strongly enough to win a place where he would battle the elite?
More than likely it will happen, but till then, we're left with the rants of 'pampered goldfish', 'barracudas' and all that sort of rot.
|Sep-19-12|| ||KKDEREK: Blow the whistle, <perf> like I did about those socks.. They come from nowhere to discuss and whine about the rules, about Wesley been underrated, injustice and so forth, all over the site. Course are the same guys who where banned. Warn the adms..|
|Sep-19-12|| ||Jim Bartle: I have a feeling, though I can't prove it, that the blitz draw with Rogoff was more or less a courtesy. Not a serious battle.|
|Sep-19-12|| ||rapidcitychess: It's a blitz game, with about twenty moves of book theory. Not too much chance to win there.|
|Sep-19-12|| ||Jim Bartle: I'm not belittling Wesley So's accomplishment of not losing to 2700s. Since you're a brand new member (yet somehow have picked up perfectly on the theme of several absent kibitzers), go back through the pages and you'll see I am very complimentary toward So's performance and potential.|
The Rogoff blitz game was played during a visit to someone's home for the day, against a prominent economist who was once a pretty strong player, a tournament player. I take it as a casual game, for fun.
|Sep-19-12|| ||DUS: <G. Kasparov: As for Russia, silver on tiebreaks is not a crime, I think!>|
Of course! At least any Armenian would have said the same. :) Then Garry speaks about Armenia.
<G. Kasparov: As for Armenia, we can rule out luck after three golds in six years!
They lost to China but came back and showed their incredible fighting spirit as a team once again. Not on rating the best team, but great fighting spirit all the way through.
It's amazing that Movsesian had the worst score on the Armenian team, but he had the two clutch wins over Grischuk and Almasi. Pressure performance! You don't often see a hero with 50%!>
Amazing! Garry speaks even more emotional than I would!
|Sep-19-12|| ||Eyal: <as far as I know Morozevich was ill, but why wasn't Svidler included in the team? He is one of the world top grandmasters, surely better than both Jakovenko and Tomashevsky.>|
Dokhoian himself said in an interview that he didn’t include Svidler because the latter didn’t play in the match against China shortly before the Olympiad (http://whychess.com/en/node/2929), but this doesn’t sound very credible. I suppose the real reason is that Svidler’s recent performances for Russia in <team> events were consistently mediocre if not worse: 4.5/9 (TPR 2651, board 2) in the 2008 Olympiad; 5.5/10 (TPR 2669, board 3) in the 2010 Olympiad; and last year 3.5/7 (TPR 2614, board 4) in the World Team Championship and 3.5/8 (TPR 2676, board 1) in the European Team Championship (where, among other things, he lost a critical game to Radjabov in the match vs. Azerbaijan).
|Sep-19-12|| ||achieve: <mannypakyu: I've expressed and proved my point. All's well that ends well. Let Wesley's accomplishment in this tourney be a footnote written in indelible ink for all of posterity to behold and see.> |
Sigh - another distracting gnat to add to the list. Time to kill off the source. Uproot it. Wesley is a good player, his abusive non-fans are a disgrace to this website. There's no ink left for your kind, so spam the net with your filth. Wesley has his own ink to spill, all power to him.
|Sep-19-12|| ||perfidious: < mannypakyu: <A draw isn't a horrific performance> For a pampered goldfish drawing with a fishball, it surely is!>|
<1. Pampered goldfish- 2700+
2. Hungry Barracuda- 2600-2699
3. Salmon- 2500-2599
4. Mackerel- 2400-2499
5. Ligo Sardines- 2300-2399
6. Fishball- 2200-2299....>
Credit where it's due to this latest sock....he's got all the patter down and knows how to pluck old posts from nowhere....most impressive for one who's only joined within the last 24 hours, I should say.
|Sep-19-12|| ||brankat: Is Wesley So still ranked #99, or has he jumped all the way up to 98, or maybe even 97?|
|Sep-19-12|| ||cro777: Wesley So (2667) is ranked #84 (September 2012)|
|Sep-19-12|| ||Marmot PFL: <brankat> So is in the top 4 in his age group however.|
|Sep-19-12|| ||Parbrahman: I took a look also at So's draws in the last Olympiad and I didn't get the impression that he played safely for draws except maybe that one against Adams where he was on the defensive due to Adams's aggressive play.|
|Sep-20-12|| ||gowes: Wes trains with and plays like an engine...he goes as far as he can see and nothing further. He takes no risks, even calculated ones..would not leave his fate unto chance. This explains his exemplary performance against 2700+ GM's which at the moment translates to an unblemished record of 38 games including 5 wins, the rest being draws. His wins are more of a product of his opponents playing below par against his precise play. He never overextends himself the way other top GM's would which explains their loss.|
Everyone tries their very best not to suffer a loss. Wes remains undefeated...All else carries a scar of their wound sustained in battle. The fact that Wes succeeded where others failed puts him in a higher pedestal than the rest.
Behold the proof!
|Sep-20-12|| ||gowes: <Wes trains with and plays like an engine..>|
Wesley So training with Carlsen
There is a piece in The New Yorker featuring Magnus Carlsen written by D.T.Max who interviewed the chess genius.
One stunning revelation that came out was that Carlsen had offered Filipino Wesley So to go to Europe and train with him. I know Wesley is an up-and-coming player and certainly will be among the world elite one day. But for Carlsen to make such an offer means he must have a high opinion of Wesley too. I believe Carlsen choose Wesley precisely because while Wesley will be a rival one day, that day is not now. So it makes sense that way I suppose.
I'm quite sure Wesley would not turn down the offer. It's not everyday or even every lifetime that you get a chance to work with one of the world's best player. This collaboration will benefit Wesley tremendously and I hope his rise to the top will come sooner than later.
Carlsen was quite explicit in why he picked Wesley. He pointed out that Wesley's training was up to this point the complete opposite of Carlsen's. <Entirely based off the computer utilization.>
|Sep-20-12|| ||brankat: <cro777> <Marmot PFL> Thank You for the info.|
If there really is some truth in the story about M.Carlsen and W.So training together, then it is indeed a most interesting development!
|Sep-20-12|| ||cro777: Here is a competent assessment (by Master Iskuba Dayb) of Wesley's appearance at the recent Olympiad.|
<Iskubadayb: Wesley is a much better player than before. Maybe the result says otherwise but move for move, he is clearly a better player... his play has matured... seasoned. He had a lot of draws because his opponents did not want to mix it up. Even Aronian and Topalov were cautious in their approach.>
|Sep-20-12|| ||achk: Notice that So played with white against strongest players (all 2700+ opposition except for Adams). Anyway quite a solid performance.|
|Sep-20-12|| ||ArmeniaNL: FYI: every player of armenian national chess team is awarded 40.000 euro prize. They deserve that!!!!!!|
|Sep-20-12|| ||brankat: Armenian economy must be booming :-)|
|Oct-05-12|| ||Conrad93: I think it is.
It's really strange how such a small poor country can manage to be to be one of the three great chess superpowers of the worlds.
|Oct-28-13|| ||pyoner: 11. C Lupulescu vs W So ½-½ 47 D11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav|
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