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🏆 AVRO (1938)

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In November 1938, a Dutch radio company AVRO ... [more]

Player: Samuel Reshevsky

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Alekhine vs Reshevsky ½-½601938AVROE20 Nimzo-Indian
2. Reshevsky vs Fine 0-1371938AVROE10 Queen's Pawn Game
3. Botvinnik vs Reshevsky 1-0371938AVROA25 English
4. Keres vs Reshevsky 1-0441938AVROC79 Ruy Lopez, Steinitz Defense Deferred
5. Reshevsky vs Capablanca ½-½561938AVROE37 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
6. Euwe vs Reshevsky 0-1561938AVROD70 Neo-Grunfeld Defense
7. Reshevsky vs Flohr 1-0441938AVROD81 Grunfeld, Russian Variation
8. Reshevsky vs Alekhine ½-½631938AVROE46 Nimzo-Indian
9. Fine vs Reshevsky 0-1551938AVROC97 Ruy Lopez, Closed, Chigorin
10. Reshevsky vs Botvinnik ½-½501938AVROE46 Nimzo-Indian
11. Reshevsky vs Keres ½-½471938AVROE47 Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3 O-O 5.Bd3
12. Capablanca vs Reshevsky ½-½421938AVROD83 Grunfeld, Grunfeld Gambit
13. Reshevsky vs Euwe ½-½331938AVROD54 Queen's Gambit Declined, Anti-Neo-Orthodox Variation
14. Flohr vs Reshevsky ½-½271938AVROE34 Nimzo-Indian, Classical, Noa Variation
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Jun-07-18  WorstPlayerEver: PS by the way he told me 'Portielje' comes from 'Portillo' a portuguese jewish name.

To understand this story one has to know that Amsterdam was built by jewish portuguese refugees. Traders (Sefardiem) who fled for the Inquisition late 15th century.

Therefore the 'rest' of the Netherlands always has had a inferiority complex in relation to Amsterdam.

Jun-07-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <WPE> It means that the radio channel AVRO, even though it was willing to collaborate with the Nazis, was still taken over by the official Nazi channel: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neder...

Nederlandsche Omroep (Dutch Broadcasting, abbreviated NO, formerly "Rijks Radio-Omroep") was the national broadcasting station in the Netherlands during WW II.

During the first year of the war, the existing broadcasters AVRO, KRO, NCRV, VARA and VPRO, continued to broadcast under the supervision of the Radio Management Office. The ***owners adapted quickly to the censorship and to their agendas*** and used the radio for propaganda. Starting from 9 March 1941, those stations were discontinued and the Rijks Radio-Omroep (Reich Radio Broadcasting) was created, subsequently renamed Nederlandsche Omroep (Dutch Broadcasting). [...] The key positions were occupied by real NSB party members and Nazis. The Director-General of "Nederlandsche Omroep" was the NSB party member Willem Herweijer.

Conclusion: WPE 1, beatgiant 0

Jun-07-18  WorstPlayerEver: <CHC>

Ah, now I understand. So the term 'aanpassigerigheid' probably was meant in a derogative way.

Jun-07-18
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  beatgiant: <ChessHigherCat> <WPE 1, beatgiant 0>

What does this mean? I was asking questions and trying to learn something.

Jun-07-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <beatgiant: <ChessHigherCat> <WPE 1, beatgiant 0> What does this mean? I was asking questions and trying to learn something.

<beatgiant: <WorstPlayerEver>

Well you have to admit all but one of your "innocent questions" expressed skepticism about WPE's claim that the Dutch voluntarily sacked its Jewish employees:

<"AVRO "voluntarily sacced" its Jewish employees?> This means they terminated their employment, or handed them over to the occupation authorities? <What makes you believe it was voluntary? Did the Germans not require it? Did no member of AVRO management object to the decision?>

And we confirmed his point of view.

Jun-07-18
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  beatgiant: <ChessHigherCat> <What makes you believe it was voluntary? Did the Germans not require it?> This was German-occupied Europe during WWII, one of the most brutal totalitarian regimes known to history. So, I think it's a pretty natural question. But sure, by definition asking questions is expressing skepticism.

<Did no member of AVRO management object to the decision?> This remains unanswered. The quote above refers only to the owners. <WorstPlayerEver>, is there any more info on that?

Now, one more question, in case <WorstPlayerEver> might know. What happened to these collaborating radio company owners after the war? Were any put on trial or convicted as collaborators?

Jun-08-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <beatgiant: <ChessHigherCat> <What makes you believe it was voluntary? Did the Germans not require it?> This was German-occupied Europe during WWII, one of the most brutal totalitarian regimes known to history. So, I think it's a pretty natural question.>

Well, collaborators always have a choice, but when the choice comes down to maintaining the status quo with a cushy job as a radio announcer or else being shipped off to the concentration camp, few people are brave enough to go the martyrdom route. If, on the other hand, the choice is between broadcasting vile Nazi propaganda or merely losing one's job, there we have a clear-cut case of collaboration.

A less painful path of resistance would be to run off to England and try to join an insurgency movement, or at least broadcast anti-Nazi programs from abroad, but it may be too difficult to escape.

As to the postwar trials, the old radio channels only remained in business for a year before being taken over by the official Nazi channel, so the ones that lost their jobs and were replaced by official propagandists after a year probably aren't very high on the list of collaborators. On the other hand, if they chose to remain on the Nazi channel after one year, were members of the Dutch fascist party (NSB) and even spiced up their propaganda speeches with incitement to murder and mayhem, that would be a clear-cut case of collaboration, too.

I don't know about whether the postwar trials were held or not but the older Dutch members might recall. You could also look that up yourself.

Jun-08-18  WorstPlayerEver: <beatgigant>

In comparison to jews, the Dutch were treated with silk gloves by the Germans.

My grandfather was a smuggler during the war and I am quite sure the Germans simply could have him shot any time, but they just let him.

During the war the Dutch also committed sabotage on German material all over the country. Hitler's road project were delayed for instance.

After the war lots of nazis kept their job, because the Dutch needed 'office people.' For instance, a third of the judges were not replaced afaik.. (I would have to do some research to back that up though).

PS I also don't understand the '1-0' thing. Silliness though.

Jun-08-18  WorstPlayerEver: PPS

These people 'got way with it', because after each war people have a strong tendency to go 'back to normal.' Quite obvious that they also needed a lot of 'qualified' employees.

Jun-08-18  sneaky pete: For our Dutch kibitzers, here is a radio program from 1988 dealing with the purification of Dutch broadcasters during the German occupation and Willem Vogt in particular: https://www.vpro.nl/speel~POMS_VPRO...

If you don't want to listen to the entire program, the last 10 or 12 minutes should be enough. It was a farce, but not at all funny, and a shame and a disgrace.

Maybe someone else here will feel inspired to write a summary in English. I don't.

Jun-08-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <sneaky pete> Nice goose! Is this the same kind?: https://www.google.com/search?newwi...

At first I tried to search "Dutch Goose" but there's a restaurant with that name in Menlo Park, so I just got pages and pages of advertisements!

As to the link, once I figured out how to get past the cookie monster on the cookies page, I clicked the video and got some kind of recording of a torture chamber where people were being forced to swallow burning hot mashed potatoes! Just kidding, that's how Dutch always sounds to me, my listening comprehension is horrible! If I ever improve I'll go back to it.

Jun-08-18  sneaky pete: <CHC> No, the goose is of the Florida Two Month variety. It feeds on alligators, Life Masters and bananas.

The link is to a radio program. Radio is something like video, but without moving pictures. Some of what you hear comes from recordings (on glass 78 rpm records) of actual radio programs from the early 1940s. You can also hear collaborating technicians testify that, as an act of resistance, they did their best to make the propaganda programs sound as bad as they could. Obviously they succeeded.

Jun-08-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <sneaky pete>: A bananaphagic goose, that's pretty scary! And I don't understand how you can play video games on the radio, but it must be one of those lost secrets of the Ancients.

This is a pretty good book about an American undercover agent in WWII who has a racist radio show but the real purpose is to give signals to the underground depending on his phrasing. Unfortunately, nobody believes him after the war and the US government won't back up his story:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002KJA97...

You can choose the Kindle format for $7.99, the paperback for $4.05 or the hardback for $199.99, it's up to you :-)

Sep-13-18
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Four World Champions out of eight total players--and none of them finished first. The current title holder went +0 -2 =2 against the top two. Now *that* was a tournament.
Sep-13-18  newzild: Dubious to call this the strongest tournament ever held.

The weakest player at St Petersburg 1895/6, for example, was ranked #5 in the world by Chessmetrics.

Sep-13-18
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  Lambda: There are many different credible answers to "what was the strongest chess tournament ever held?" depending on what you mean by "strongest", how you compare between eras etc. But this is definitely one of them.
Sep-13-18  JimNorCal: <newzild> makes a good point. If you go by world ranking, StP1895 was enormously strong.

But I wonder what the (estimated/calculated) ELOs were. Maybe that is the basis for claiming AVROs strength.

Sep-13-18  Joseph Blackcape: According to Chessmetrics the 8 players at AVRO were rated the top 8 players in the world with Botvinnik being #1 (2763) and Euwe #8 (2716). So if you go by estimated rating no possibility for it being any stronger.

Link for reference: http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/...

Sep-13-18  JimNorCal: StP 1895/6 had 4 of the top 5 with, if I am reading it correctly, these imputed ratings:

Lasker 2842
Chigorin 2794
Steinitz 2746
Pillsbury 2727

Sep-13-18  Howard: Some sources go by players' peak ratings when it comes to gauging tournament strength--not necessarily their ratings at the time of the event.

Capablanca's peak rating was estimated to be 2720, if I remember right. But was he playing at that level in 1938? Hardly likely !

Sep-17-18  newzild: Yes, St Petersburg was stronger both by average Chessmetrics rating (helped by Lasker's stratospheric rating of 2842) and also by average world ranking.
Sep-17-18  Olavi: If any of the eight players in AVRO was replaced by any other player in the world, the tournament would have been weaker. If Tarrasch would have replaced anybody else than Lasker in St Petersburg, I don't think you can say the same.
Sep-18-18
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  keypusher: Chessmetrics ratings are supposed to be comparable across generations but they aren’t, really. So I wouldn’t put much stock in a ratings comparison. If you treat ranking as a proxy for strength then obviously a tournament with four of the top five is going to be stronger than a tournament with the top 8, but as Olavi points out you can’t make AVRO stronger (except by eliminating the bottom half of the field), while you can strengthen St. Petersburg by adding Tarrasch (who was invited, incidentally).

Not sure how relevant this is, but I think if you could invite 1895 Steinitz and Chigorin to play at AVRO they’d get their clocks cleaned. 1895 Lasker could hold his own, just as 1935-36 Lasker could against many of the AVRO contestants. I’m not sure about Pillsbury.

Sep-18-18  Howard: Like that expression---"get their clocks cleaned" !

Another drawback of Chessmetrics ratings is that the mere existence of the rating system frequently has an effect on how professionals play. But no rating system existed before 1970, or at least not by FIDE.

Sep-18-18  Howard: Oh, I couldn't agree more with Keypusher. Ratings reflect RELATIVE strength, not absolute.

There's a difference !

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