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|Feb-23-13|| ||dumbgai: When's the last time a reigning world champion finished in last place in a tournament?|
|Feb-23-13|| ||anandrulez: I dont know that , but Anand is no longer the champ at Blitz/Rapids , going by most of his recent results .|
|Feb-23-13|| ||FadeThePublic: Anand got smoked at blitz....dont think hes hiding prep, maybe hes just lost some skill|
|Feb-23-13|| ||whiteshark: Is it a foretaste of what is to come?|
|Feb-23-13|| ||HeMateMe: I had the exact inverse of the finish here, as the final results for the classical time event. Of course Vishy won't lose 4 games at classical chess. I would be very surprised if Caruna finished ahead of these three in regular chess.|
Anand and Gelfie played a world championship match last year. They couldn't have aged THAT much in six months.
|Feb-23-13|| ||chancho: Age is starting to creep up on Vishy.
But that's part of life.
The man has had the career many chessplayers can only dream of.
|Feb-23-13|| ||Absentee: And what a match it was!|
|Feb-23-13|| ||alexmagnus: Age? It's not like it's the first time Anand finishes last somewhere. He had some last place finish five years ago, and they keep talking about his age since 2006.|
|Feb-23-13|| ||anandrulez: Age is of course catching up he dominated the Rapid scene till 2008 . U often don't notice because age effects are slow . He didn't manage a win vs Kramnik and Caruana|
|Feb-23-13|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: Well, 6 blitz games don't mean anything.|
|Feb-23-13|| ||anandrulez: Yeah but it talks about the chess instincts and form perhaps little about understanding . I think Kasparov might still win this tourn even today or atleast wud be fun|
|Feb-23-13|| ||WiseWizard: Hopefully this makes Anand the most motivated player in the tournament.|
|Feb-23-13|| ||notyetagm: <chancho: Age is starting to creep up on Vishy. But that's part of life. >|
And that is exactly why Kasparov retired in 2005.
He had too much pride and ego to start having mediocre results so he quit while he was on top, like Michael Jordan.
|Feb-23-13|| ||jancotianno: How can people say age is creeping up on Anand? He just won the Grenke tournament against formidable opponents and had a pretty good tata steel tournament. Blitz doesn't really mean anything.|
|Feb-23-13|| ||Expendable Asset: <notyetagm> Just like Bobby Fischer?|
|Feb-23-13|| ||alexmagnus: <Age is of course catching up he dominated the Rapid scene till 2008 >|
Rapid and Blitz are two different animals.
|Feb-23-13|| ||alexmagnus: And in Kasparov's case it was not age too. It's just that "ageing" players start attributing each mistake, each loss to age and more or less stop analyzing their mistakes.|
|Feb-23-13|| ||dumbgai: I think the decline in age has more to do with motivation than actual physical aging. In Kasparov's case, he wanted to work on other things (writing books and politics). Kramnik said in an interview that his results will inevitably go down because these days he'd rather spend time with his family than study chess full-time.|
|Feb-23-13|| ||waustad: Aging players often mention that things just take longer now or that they don't have the energy to play for many hours. I'm nowhere near as good at blitz as I was 35+ years ago, but I do it a lot less now too.|
|Mar-02-13|| ||PawnSac: It's like the 2nd Fischer-Spassky match.
Game 1 was no doubt Fischer's best, and a brilliant one at that, but commentators noted that when the game was done Fischer seemed to almost collapse in exhaustion.
that's age. It's about having the physical strength for hours of concentration and the will to fight.
As for Anand.. It's difficult to "retire". I mean after all guys, He still holds the title, and no matter how tired he gets over the board, he still loves to play the game! I don't think its as much about ego. I'm much older now, and wouldn't do as well in blitz competition as when i was 35-40, but I have no intention of giving up the game!
When Vishi loses the championship to Magnus, I think we'll still see him play, but less frequently. What he should do is devote his efforts as an author and chess philanthropist like Ray Keene, promoting chess in schools and stuff like that! Those are very worthy ambitions for a former world champ, and they help chess a lot. Vishi could come to the US and do simul tours around chess clubs and lecture, etc. I for one would certainly make an effort to attend, as would many others.
So i guess what i'm saying is.. He may be close to forfeiting his throne, but his career is far from over.
|Mar-02-13|| ||Absentee: Anand might also be a great president for FIDE, carrying on Euwe's legacy. It sure would benefit the chess world to have a ruling body presided by someone who's more involved in chess than politics and has actually lived in it.|
|Mar-02-13|| ||PawnSac: Yes! Agreed! thats a great idea|
|Mar-02-13|| ||alexmagnus: Just because a players ages, you don't have to write him off.|
Since the WC matches are something the challengers have to qualify for, there was one player who, since his first appearance in a WC cycle (Interzonal or its modern equivalents or higher) played in all WC cycles till his death. Petrosian. Some may ask: "And what about Tal?". Well, while Tal competed in the cycle by the end of which he was already dead (the 1991-93 cycle), there was one cycle he missed - the 1970-72 cycle.
|Mar-02-13|| ||alexmagnus: <there was one player who, since his first appearance in a WC cycle (Interzonal or its modern equivalents or higher) played in all WC cycles till his death.>|
To be more precise, the was <one world champion who...>. Didn't check if there were some non-champions who satisfy this description (played in all WC cycles from the one he played first till his death).
|Mar-02-13|| ||alexmagnus: And, one more addition to that fact: neither of living world champions has a chance to repeat this feat - each of them already missed something, which was mainly due to the split.|
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