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|Mar-23-14|| ||perfidious: <Everett> To succeed as Botvinnik did requires a person with iron self-discipline; there are very few in any discipline who can, whatever one makes of the rules which allowed him automatic rematches, display the type of fortitude to come out swinging at the man who had only recently defeated him in a set match.|
Anand's weakness at top level seems to have been of a psychological nature. If he goes forward, it might be difficult for him due to this, plus he would be facing one tough customer who will not be cowed.
As for what might happen, I wish Anand well, whatever the future holds--he has been nothing but a credit to the game.
|Mar-23-14|| ||Hiarcs: There you go aronian, pay the consequences of accepting the draw against anand.|
|Mar-24-14|| ||offramp: Carlsen must be laughing into his rakfisk at the thought of a replay of this match.|
|Mar-24-14|| ||Rascal Nikov: who will have a last laugh will be decided in November very soon. so wait a little.|
|Apr-03-14|| ||goommba88: hopefully anand dumps e4 for the upcoming match. his score, with white mind you after e4.. 2 draws 1 loss.
|Apr-14-14|| ||Chessinfinite: Carlsen can laugh now, he became WC after only 10 games- he will see what it is to play the same opponent again, this time probably with a difference. |
I don't think he will laugh, the only laugh someone might have had was Kasparov before the 1993 match when he had to face a No 10 player Short in 1993 - and even harder after the match !!
|Apr-14-14|| ||Absentee: <Chessinfinite: I don't think he will laugh, the only laugh someone might have had was Kasparov before the 1993 match when he had to face a No 10 player Short in 1993 - and even harder after the match !!>|
Anand was #8 when he played Carlsen last november.
|Apr-14-14|| ||polarmis: Vladimir Kramnik gives his thoughts on the Carlsen-Anand rematch:|
|Apr-14-14|| ||Petrosianic: <Anand was #8 when he played Carlsen last november.>|
He was also defending champion, proving that he had the ability to reach the top, regardless of what his recent results had been like. Short, Bogo, Janowski, et al never did.
|Apr-14-14|| ||tamar: Kramnik does not rule out working as an Anand second. He says Vishy will have to ask first, then he can consider it.|
|Apr-14-14|| ||Absentee: <Petrosianic: <Anand was #8 when he played Carlsen last november.>|
He was also defending champion, proving that he had the ability to reach the top, regardless of what his recent results had been like. Short, Bogo, Janowski, et al never did.>
Sure. That wasn't in question, though. With the benefit of hindsight we know that Short didn't make it, but one couldn't be sure at the time. If Kasparov was entitled to laugh at Short - something I doubt he did, by the way - then I don't see why other players couldn't do the same under similar circumstances.
|Apr-14-14|| ||Petrosianic: I suppose a challenger could laugh at the champion. It would ring kind of hollow, and probably establish the guy as kind of a boor, but there's no law against it. I can't really think of any time it happened.|
It ALMOST happened in 1963. In Fischer's famous Sports Illustrated article, he did a hit job on Botvinnik as an old man who only kept his title due to (unspecified) rules (we know what he's talking about, but he didn't explain it to the SI audience). But of course, Fischer wasn't the challenger that year. He failed to earn that spot. Had he succeeded, he might have been the first to diss the champion openly. On the other hand, if he'd succeeded, he wouldn't have had any sour grapes to vent.
Otherwise, the only challengers I can think of that were dissed by the champion were Short, and Bogo (the second time; the first time Alekhine was trying to promote him as more deserving than Capablanca).
|Apr-14-14|| ||Everett: Thank you <Polarmis>!|
|Apr-14-14|| ||tamar: Lasker is supposed to have written about Tarrasch "He lacks the passion that whips the blood when great stakes can be gained by resolute and self-confident daring," |
But even so thorough an investigator as Taylor Kingston has been unable to establish a source for that remark. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!t...
|Apr-14-14|| ||Petrosianic: Yeah, I meant to mention that, and forgot. Personally, I see the Lasker/Tarrasch badinage as the chess version of the Jack Benny/Fred Allen Feud. They trashed each other because they were feuding, and they were feuding because they were such hot rivals. Mileage may vary, though. If it happened, you might reasonably consider that to be a champion laughing at a challenger. I don't see it that way, but some might.|
|Apr-14-14|| ||Appaz: <<Petrosianic> I suppose a challenger could laugh at the champion. [...] I can't really think of any time it happened.>|
The "lend him the title" remark comes in awfully close (but still doesn't fully qualify, in my opinion).
|Apr-14-14|| ||tamar: Janowski was the only one who could laugh at the champion while acknowledging he had no idea how to play against him.|
I don't think I will win a game in this match. Lasker plays too stupidly for me to look at the board with any interest. - David Janowski
|Apr-14-14|| ||Petrosianic: <The "lend him the title" remark comes in awfully close (but still doesn't fully qualify, in my opinion).>|
Y......eah, I had forgotten that one, but that very nearly qualifies. I don't know if he meant it to come out as badly as it did, but it's not good.
I wasn't thinking of that one because I thought of it as half Kramnik making excuses for himself. I was really critical of him at Mexico City for not making any efforts to win with Black. I was especially critical of the Grischuk-Kramnik game where, in a Must Win situation, Kramnik played the Petroff Defense, drew in like 14 moves, then tried to claim at the press conference that he WAS playing to win because the Petroff is a very sharp opening, you see. As for why he took the draw so quickly, well, it's because Grischuk offered it!
I thought that was one of Kramnik's worst moments, so when he said that bit about lending Anand the title, my first thought was that he was making excuses for not hussling more at Mexico City.
|May-01-14|| ||Check It Out: Anyone else frequently getting an ad when they click a youtube link promoting THIS World Championship as the up-and-coming event to look out for?|
It's so yesterday. Someone in India needs to hire a new PR person.
|May-09-14|| ||PhilFeeley: Too funny: From New In Chess 2013#8
<The Norwegians were so fascinated by the match that during the games the streets often looked deserted. At some point, the biggest bank in the country, DNB, had to block their employees' Internet access to the match, as they were unacceptably slowing down the network.>
|Jun-24-14|| ||dumbgai: Wow I just noticed my own quote from November 21, 2014:|
<dumbgai: What if Anand wins the next candidates?
Haha, just kidding.>
|Jun-24-14|| ||dumbgai: Err, that should be 2013, not 2014.|
|Sep-12-14|| ||Everett: Like both players, rooting for Anand. No predictions.|
|Sep-12-14|| ||Reisswolf: I like Anand a lot too.
Unfortunately for him, Carlsen is much too strong an opponent, for him or anyone else.
|Sep-12-14|| ||HeMateMe: I predict that Anand will win a game this match. Carlsen's focus will waver just a bit this match, relaxed because he is champion. Vishy will pick up one game, but lose the match.|
Challengers dissed? I think Shirov belongs in that category. Kaspy never played a match with him, or gave him the promised $200,000 compensation for not getting the loser's share of the prize fund.
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