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Harrwitz - Williams (1852) Played in London, England from October 29 - November 30. Harrwitz 1 = 1 1 = = 1 1 1 1 8.5 Williams 0 = 0 0 = = 0 0 0 0 1.5 Missing information: no months/days; needs introduction. Based on an original collection by User: TheFocus.  page 1 of 1; 10 games    Game   Result Moves Year Event/Locale Opening 1. E Williams vs Harrwitz ½-½ 61 1852 Harrwitz - Williams A03 Bird's Opening 2. Harrwitz vs E Williams 1-0 76 1852 Harrwitz - Williams C01 French, Exchange 3. Harrwitz vs E Williams   1-0 51 1852 Harrwitz - Williams C30 King's Gambit Declined 4. Harrwitz vs E Williams ½-½ 73 1852 Harrwitz - Williams C30 King's Gambit Declined 5. E Williams vs Harrwitz 0-1 60 1852 Harrwitz - Williams A03 Bird's Opening 6. E Williams vs Harrwitz 0-1 46 1852 Harrwitz - Williams C64 Ruy Lopez, Classical 7. E Williams vs Harrwitz 0-1 37 1852 Harrwitz - Williams D32 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch 8. Harrwitz vs E Williams 1-0 55 1852 Harrwitz - Williams C41 Philidor Defense 9. Harrwitz vs E Williams 1-0 33 1852 Harrwitz - Williams C39 King's Gambit Accepted 10. E Williams vs Harrwitz ½-½ 25 1852 Harrwitz - Williams A00 Uncommon Opening   REFINE SEARCH:   White wins (1-0) | Black wins (0-1) | Draws (1/2-1/2)   Dec-20-13    thomastonk: <TheFocus> Do you know where these games were published in 1852? Background. The game Harrwitz vs E Williams, 1852 came to my attention when my pgn comparer told my that another database contains a copy with 35.♗b4 instead of 35.♗b6. A minor difference, of course. But then I observed that in the other database Williams played White and Harrwitz played Black! This seems to be correct, because Williams didn't win a game in this match, that's for sure. BTW: that game cannot belong to the 1852/53 match, because 1.e4 e5 was forced there. I've found already additional information on both matches, which could be used for extending their introductions, but I've seen only a single game published by Staunton. Dec-20-13    TheFocus: I got the three matches from <Quarterly for Chess History>. Let me take a look over the weekend. Dec-21-13    thomastonk: <TheFocus: I got the three matches from <Quarterly for Chess History>.> I don't know that 19th century magazine. ;-) Meanwhile I have found the primary source: Harrwitz' "British Chess Review", of course! Volume 1. The game in question is the fourth game of the first match on pages 14-15. Williams is indeed White, and he played 35.♗b4. I leave it to you to submit a correction slip. Jan-31-15    zanzibar: It's too bad <thomastonk> didn't publish the round dates here. The period around 1852/53 is difficult to find properly documented via chess journals (at least at <Chess Archeology>). Perhaps the newspaper archive might be some help. It's also too bad the players didn't meet in 1850, when, according to EDOchess, they were most evenly matched: http://www.edochess.ca/matches/m258... [Update - google books has copies of <British Chess Review> referred to by <thomastonk> above. For instance, the sixth game is reported to have taken place on Nov 25, 1852 on p33] May-06-18    MissScarlett: Illustrated London News, November 27th 1852, p.467: <MATCH BETWEEN MESSRS. HARRWITZ AND WILLIAMS. The interest at first felt in the progress of this little contest we regret to observe is manifestly subsiding, and the whole affair is threatened with oblivion before it is half over. The cause of this is undoubtedly the neglect of due provision for the publication of the games by the chief Chess organs, and the fault would seem to rest upon the authorities of the Club where the match is played. We hesitate to give credence to a report which has reached us, that the games are not published became the players claim them. This is too absurd. The players have not a vestige of right to the games. If A and B agree to play a match at Chess, without any stake or for a sum of their own, or if they play to oblige parties who have wagered with each other, on their respective powers, the games in such match are unquestionably their own property; but if, as in the present instance, a Club subscribe a purse to played for by two or more competitors engaged for the purpose, the subscribers have a clear and indisputable claim to all the games in the contest. This is so evident as hardly to admit of argument. But without stopping to inquire by whom the games are monopolised, we put it to all parties concerned whether they will not best consult the interests of their Club, and serve the cause of Chess generally by giving every facility for making the games public.> NOTE: You need to pick a username and password to post a reply. Getting your account takes less than a minute, is totally anonymous, and 100% free—plus, it entitles you to features otherwise unavailable. 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