|FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk (2014)|
Played in Khanty-Mansiysk, Russia 9-21 April 2014. FIDE page: https://www.fide.com/component/cont.... Overview: Wikipedia article: FIDE Women's Grand Prix 2013%E2%80%9314.
Yifan Hou won with 8.5/11 and got 160 Grand Prix points (GPP). Olga Girya achieved a GM norm. Crosstable (http://chess-results.com/tnr131729....) :
Previous event in the Grand Prix series 2013-2014: FIDE Women's Grand Prix Tashkent (2013). Next: FIDE Women's Grand Prix Lopota (2014).
Elo 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 GPP
1 Yifan Hou 2618 * 1 ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ 1 1 1 1 8½ 160
2 Girya 2450 0 * 1 0 1 1 ½ 1 ½ ½ 1 ½ 7 130
3 Kosteniuk 2527 ½ 0 * ½ 1 1 ½ ½ ½ 1 0 1 6½ 110
=4 Lahno 2543 ½ 1 ½ * ½ ½ ½ 0 1 ½ ½ ½ 6 85
=4 Muzychuk 2560 ½ 0 0 ½ * ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 6 85
=6 Dzagnidze 2550 0 0 0 ½ ½ * 1 0 ½ 1 1 1 5½ 65
=6 Stefanova 2489 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 0 * 0 1 1 ½ ½ 5½ 65
=8 Zhao Xue 2552 ½ 0 ½ 1 0 1 1 * ½ 0 ½ 0 5 45
=8 Ushenina 2501 0 ½ ½ 0 ½ ½ 0 ½ * 1 1 ½ 5 45
10 Muminova 2321 0 ½ 0 ½ 0 0 0 1 0 * 1 1 4 30
=11 Kosintseva 2496 0 0 1 ½ ½ 0 ½ ½ 0 0 * ½ 3½ 15
=11 Batchimeg 2340 0 ½ 0 ½ 0 0 ½ 1 ½ 0 ½ * 3½ 15
| page 1 of 3; games 1-25 of 66
|1. A Stefanova vs Kosteniuk
||½-½||69||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||D00 Queen's Pawn Game|
|2. A Ushenina vs N Muminova
||1-0||48||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||E49 Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3, Botvinnik System|
|3. Zhao Xue vs Lagno
|| ||1-0||30||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||A04 Reti Opening|
|4. O Girya vs N Dzagnidze
|| ||1-0||49||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||E32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical|
|5. A Muzychuk vs T Batchimeg
||1-0||81||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||C55 Two Knights Defense|
|6. Yifan Hou vs T Kosintseva
||1-0||56||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||A13 English|
|7. Kosteniuk vs T Kosintseva
||0-1||35||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||C58 Two Knights|
|8. T Batchimeg vs Yifan Hou
||0-1||22||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||E30 Nimzo-Indian, Leningrad|
|9. N Dzagnidze vs A Muzychuk
|| ||½-½||30||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||E12 Queen's Indian|
|10. Lagno vs O Girya
|| ||1-0||41||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||B49 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation|
|11. N Muminova vs Zhao Xue
||1-0||57||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||C77 Ruy Lopez|
|12. A Stefanova vs A Ushenina
|| ||1-0||64||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||A06 Reti Opening|
|13. A Ushenina vs Kosteniuk
|| ||½-½||68||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||D58 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tartakower (Makagonov-Bondarevsky) Syst|
|14. Zhao Xue vs A Stefanova
||1-0||70||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||D11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav|
|15. T Kosintseva vs T Batchimeg
|| ||½-½||57||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||C65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense|
|16. O Girya vs N Muminova
|| ||½-½||36||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||D37 Queen's Gambit Declined|
|17. A Muzychuk vs Lagno
|| ||½-½||32||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||B52 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack|
|18. Yifan Hou vs N Dzagnidze
||1-0||24||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||B41 Sicilian, Kan|
|19. A Stefanova vs O Girya
||½-½||76||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||D11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav|
|20. N Muminova vs A Muzychuk
||0-1||95||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||B31 Sicilian, Rossolimo Variation|
|21. Kosteniuk vs T Batchimeg
||1-0||47||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||C65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense|
|22. A Ushenina vs Zhao Xue
|| ||½-½||35||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||E43 Nimzo-Indian, Fischer Variation|
|23. Lagno vs Yifan Hou
||½-½||24||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||A62 Benoni, Fianchetto Variation|
|24. N Dzagnidze vs T Kosintseva
|| ||1-0||39||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||D38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation|
|25. T Batchimeg vs N Dzagnidze
||0-1||98||2014||FIDE Women's Grand Prix Khanty - Mansiysk||E12 Queen's Indian|
| page 1 of 3; games 1-25 of 66
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 4 OF 5 ·
|Apr-18-14|| ||Shams: No, it's simple math. You said "hundreds a day". The true figure is much less than one a day. Divide one figure by the other and there's your error factor.|
You might be interested to know that there are only 230 active players rated over 2600.
|Apr-18-14|| ||Conrad93: 230 CURRENTLY. There are many 2500's now who were at the 2600+ rating level a month or two ago.|
|Apr-18-14|| ||Shams: There are probably three or four. But that's irrelevant to your claim anyway. Good night Conrad; have fun getting your learn on.|
|Apr-18-14|| ||Conrad93: No, there are far more than just three or four.|
|Apr-19-14|| ||Refused: <Shams: No, it's simple math. You said "hundreds a day". The true figure is much less than one a day. Divide one figure by the other and there's your error factor.
You might be interested to know that there are only 230 active players rated over 2600.|
No point trying to enable him to learn for himself. Conrad will insist he is right, no matter how much at odds that is with reality.
Funny thing about his "hundreds" of players, it will very likely be the same 15 to 20 or so players, who are bouncing around the 2.600 mark. On rating list, they manage to get their heads above that imaginary water level, on the next list they take a dive.
Letting women play in men's event being unfair? I thought Judit Polgar has educated even the slowest learner. She almost exclusively played men events during her career and in her best she was a Top 10 player.
Hou won Tradewise Gibraltar not that long ago.
Again I don't think Hou will be another Judit Polgar. Polgar was already widely regarded as the best female player in history at age 21. If Hou ever manages to break into the Top 15 I will make public amends, and admit I was wrong about her. But as I said earlier, I think she will peak out rating wise around Inarkiev's level. Very strong GM, bouncing around the 2.700 mark, just not being quite good enough to be permanently above 2.700.
|Apr-19-14|| ||waustad: <Hou won Tradewise Gibraltar not that long ago.> I thought she lost the playoff to Short, or do I remember incorrectly?|
|Apr-19-14|| ||perfidious: <Conrad: The top female players have always been several levels below the men.>|
Um, yeah...that is why Judit Polgar has attained a ranking in the top ten players overall.
Are you capable of making statements which rate any higher on the scale of moronicity?
|Apr-19-14|| ||SirRuthless: Yifan crushes Girya and is now +6 through 9 rounds. Two to go.|
|Apr-19-14|| ||Eti fan: It all looks over after this crushing victory https://arena.chessdom.com/#/game/s...|
|Apr-19-14|| ||Eduardo Leon: <SirRuthless: Yifan crushes Girya and is now +6 through 9 rounds. Two to go.>|
Making things even easier for Yifan, Muzychuk lost too! :-)
|Apr-19-14|| ||HeMateMe: first prize for Hou. I have a feeling it's better for her to play in both the all male events and the female events. She might lose too many games in all male events, which might not make her a better chess player if she spends too much time defending losing positions. Balance is important.|
|Apr-19-14|| ||zakkzheng: Will Girya get a GM norm?|
|Apr-19-14|| ||zakkzheng: Zhao has no tactics, just positional play.|
|Apr-19-14|| ||Kanatahodets: <Shams: <Conrad> By your logic non-Jews should have their own tournaments, Jews being so historically dominant at chess that it would be unfair to pool everyone together.> Jews are very smart and historically they put lots of attention to chess. You statement would be correct say 50 yrs ago, but now in live chess rating +2700 there are only 2 Jew players (Gelgdand!, Svidler?). So I don't see ANY logical foundation for your statement, unless you live in early 60s and connect to us via machine of time:)|
|Apr-19-14|| ||virginmind: Hou Yifan may very well have the strength of Judith Polgar (or very close to it; let's not also forget that Polgar may be past her prime - but you never know). It's probable that, would she had had the chance to play in men-only tournaments for a few years, her rating would have been (much) higher. A match between the two (at least 6 games) would give us a better idea of how the two compare in strength.|
On the other hand, if we leave aside considerations not pertaining strictly to chess strength (like cultural and social reasons for why women couldn't devote more time to playing chess, maternal duties etc.), we cannot avoid acknowledging the reality that, right now (and historically), there is an obvious gap between the respective strengths over all. Just by comparing the ratings/numbers of the first few hundreds (or thousands) best rated males/females, we get a clear picture: look at how many over 2600 elo rated men are right now, and how many women; likewise, how many over 2500 - and here the difference in numbers is much bigger.
Of course, chances are that, should more women will be able to play against men in closed competitions, they will get better rating more quickly, and so more women will get above 2600 ratings. And, why not, maybe in the not too distant future, we will witness one or two who will maintain for years in the top 10 or even top 5 players in the world.
But, for now, on the average chess strength of men vs. women - with all motivations being considered - the reality of numbers is both telling and unavoidable.
|Apr-19-14|| ||Absentee: http://www.newslo.com/texas-republi...|
|Apr-19-14|| ||SirRuthless: <Kanahodets>Anand, Carlsen and Kramnik are Jewish?|
The more you know...
|Apr-19-14|| ||Refused: <Kanatahodets: <Shams: <Conrad> By your logic non-Jews should have their own tournaments, Jews being so historically dominant at chess that it would be unfair to pool everyone together.> Jews are very smart and historically they put lots of attention to chess. You statement would be correct say 50 yrs ago, but now in live chess rating +2700 there are only 2 Jew players (Gelgdand!, Svidler?). So I don't see ANY logical foundation for your statement, unless you live in early 60s and connect to us via machine of time:)>|
Aren't you forgetting Aronian? I dont know for sure, but I think I heard somewhere, he was Jewish. Anyway, what has their religion to do with their Chess?
|Apr-19-14|| ||Kanatahodets: <SirRuthless: <Kanahodets>Anand, Carlsen and Kramnik are Jewish?
The more you know...> ???i don't get you. Can you read English? Sorry pal:)
|Apr-19-14|| ||Kanatahodets: <Refused: Aren't you forgetting Aronian? I dont know for sure, but I think I heard somewhere, he was Jewish. Anyway, what has their religion to do with their Chess?> 1. I don't get you. Who is talking about religion??? 2. I have no idea where you took that Levon is a Jew. Garry had Jewish father, maybe you mix it. Still, I don't see a point of tournaments for non-Jews:) That's just funny. Guys, you perhaps didn't drink coffee today, but the level of posts dropped significantly.|
|Apr-19-14|| ||laserlight: <zakkzheng: Will Girya get a GM norm?>|
I think not. Her performance rating after 9 rounds is apparently 2598, just 2 points short of a 9 game GM norm. But there are two games to go, and a 10 or 11 game GM norm is still possible. Muminova, on the other hand, seems to have earned a 9 game IM norm thus far.
|Apr-19-14|| ||perfidious: <Refused....Aren't you forgetting Aronian? I dont know for sure, but I think I heard somewhere, he was Jewish. Anyway, what has their religion to do with their Chess?>|
To some, it evidently matters a great deal.
One respect in which the Internet does not constitute progress is with regard to its inadvertent function as a facilitator of those who spread their intolerance behind a mask of anonymity, in the manner of Ku Klux Klan members from bygone days.
|Apr-19-14|| ||Refused: Not really paying much attention.
Cooking something, and was also looking for some radio stream. (Local Rivals battling relegation, and this year it looks like they will finally drop. Oh, and they are trailing already 0-1, so things started out quite well).
|Apr-19-14|| ||Kanatahodets: OK, it's clear. My post was reply on someone's "proposal" of separate Jews and non-Jews because Jews are dominant in chess (!?). This was in turn an inadequate response on difference in chess strength between women and men. I am for total equality and I don't see men superior to women at all. They play better chess but there are many things which women do better; motherhood would be a notable example:)|
|Apr-19-14|| ||Eduardo Leon: <They play better chess but there are many things which women do better; motherhood would be a notable example>|
Chess is not the kind of thing at which men <have> to be better than women (c.f., athletism, weigh-lifting, physical sports in general). It is primarily an intellectual endeavor and, at least to the best of my knowledge, there is no good reason to assume men have intrinsically better intellectual faculties than women.
The comparison to motherhood is off the mark. By definition, men cannot be mothers.
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