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|May-22-14|| ||Chris321: Nizman's diagram don't, have to use engines to see black is in quite a bit of trouble,can see no way for him to survive the comming white attack,for starters at least 2 pawns will go into the box,leaving him with material minus,an then the King will come under so much attack that he will have to lay down his crown to white pretty soon|
|May-22-14|| ||Kanatahodets: <perfidious: <Kanatahodets> No--it is another of that poster's outright lies.> good to know; thanks.|
|May-22-14|| ||Kanatahodets: <sy: <When was the last US champion that was actually born in America?>
Larry Christiansen 2002, but what does it matter? Kamsky and company apparently are "loyal" Americans...and that's what really counts!> It is absolutely true: they are very loyal - well, many of them at least. BUT, the nation cannot rely upon only on immigrants. Same situation in universities and laboratories. For survival the country should produce enough own talents. This is just a philosophical idea of the projection of America's future. But we may be just on the bottom of a cycle. But I doubt: consumption culture destroys America. Chess is just one vivid example.|
|May-22-14|| ||Kanatahodets: <RookFile: Well, he's 57 today, 58 next month. He's been playing. Not a question as to whether he's got enough experience. It would be a grind, maybe he would get tired in the last few rounds. I know I would.> In my profession, last greatest Americans are approximately this age: 60ish. Then - VACUUM. Maybe the smartest went to finance? Now they invent new ways to rob us and to jeopardize our future. Come back men to chess:)|
|May-22-14|| ||Petrosianic: <It is absolutely true: they are very loyal - well, many of them at least. BUT, the nation cannot rely upon only on immigrants.>|
Well, the question is how well the American system produces good players. And to determine that, the question isn't where they were born, but where they were raised. If a GM was born in Fredonia, but moved to the US at age 2, then his chess development was a product of the US system.
|May-22-14|| ||Kanatahodets: <Petrosianic: If a GM was born in Fredonia, but moved to the US at age 2, then his chess development was a product of the US system.> It is not true my friend. Parents were raised on Fredonia's learning spirit; they transfer it to a child. The problem is to replace f... advertising-consumption-borrowing culture of modern Americans with learning culture. When it is not important how many cars do you have or if all your furniture is hand-made, but how many books your kids read and how many problems did they solve at Kangaroo contest and how high is their chess.com rating.|
|May-22-14|| ||Kanatahodets: by the way, saying this I almost give up with my kids. I have hard time to fight their anti-nerdish attitude, shopping hustle and ET-TMZ style f... TV shows. American culture is killing us, killing me. My son, once a rising chess star, doesn't want to play chess anymore; his classmates mock him.|
|May-22-14|| ||Petrosianic: <It is not true my friend. Parents were raised on Fredonia's learning spirit; they transfer it to a child.>|
Okay, that's not unreasonable. But if we figure it that way, then once again, we can't necessarily go by where a player was born. If a kid was born in the US to parents who emigrated from Fredonia, then going by your reckoning, he wouldn't be a product of the US system despite being born here.
If the question is who was the last US Champion to be born in the US from non-immigrant parents, then I have no idea. That would take some research. Maybe Christiansen again, but maybe not.
|May-22-14|| ||HeMateMe: Nakamura is American chess, despite being born elsewhere. Krush arrived at age five, I think being in nyc helped her become a great player. Let's call her an American bred talent.|
Kamsky came here at age 14, so I would say that he is a product of Russian chess. It really doesn't matter. Mostly this is a reflection of the dearth of corporate sponsorship in USA chess. It is a scholastic game now, and after high school you have to "grow up" and there is no more time for chess.
|May-22-14|| ||Petrosianic: Well, by Kanatahodets argument, Nakamura wouldn't be a product of American chess, because he had parents who still had the a spirit of learning from the old country. (Japan isn't really a big chess country either, so Nakamura certainly isn't a product of their chess culture.)|
There's very little corporate sponsorship in chess because there's very little audience. Part of it is cultural, but part is the fact that chess is a game better appreciated after the fact than while it's actually in progress. In countries that do have more sponsorship, I'd be very interested in knowing how they get their money back. Is it in ticket sales, or some other way?
|May-22-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <perfidious: <Kanatahodets> No--it is another of that poster's [referring to PinnedPiece] outright lies.> |
OK Shaw, what are you willing to gamble that I can substantiate this to the point that it is NOT <an outright lie>?
If you had said to <Kanatahodets>, "I am not aware of accusing any particular poster of racism for criticizing Obama, and certainly I don't think that of any particular broad group of people in general", then you would have found a way to neutralize my comment. But you chose the wrong path.
I claim that you have a bad problem calling people racists at the drop of a hat. Using a search, I find few kibitizers here involved in such charges as often as you. In fact, you readily see criticism of Obama from the right--people like me--as an indication of racism. I claim that you have written as much on the forums of Chessgames.
You call this an outright lie on my part, and a therefore make a clear smear of my integrity here on Chessgames.
With your statement that I am a liar, I say that you have in fact become the actual liar.
So what are you willing to wager that I can back up my claim with concrete evidence based on your conversations through written text under your account name?
|May-22-14|| ||RookFile: I'll wager that this has nothing to do with the US Chess Championship.|
|May-22-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <rookfile> Agree---you would win that wager-- however this is the thread where Alan Shaw has yet again accused another kibitzer of racial bigotry and hatred, as though he is being paid to police this site for any such comments. His snap judgements need to be questioned....maybe not by me, but I am one such accused. It is not a light accusation, but made all too easily by knee-jerk responders.|
|May-22-14|| ||minasina: http://www.uschess.org/content/view...|
|May-22-14|| ||vkk: What defines rising star kids in chess?
I know 3 kids that are in the 10-12 age range and are rated in the 2000-2100 USCF range, just below the NM cutoff and one of them plays for the New York Knights and has Krush analyze his games with him. This seems to be a big stall point for kids.... then we have carlsen who got the IM title by 13 or so?
|May-22-14|| ||HeMateMe: who are the New York Knights? Is that an elementary school team?|
Carlsen was born with stuff that we weren't born with. You don't get that stuff by studying chess 8 hours a day. You don't even get it by studying chess 16 hours a day. carlsen did neither, anyhow.
|May-22-14|| ||Everett: May-22-14
member < HeMateMe: He was...50 in 2002? That's over the hill, in chess.>
Yet he won a national championship.
|May-23-14|| ||HeMateMe: well, most of us are over the hill at age 50. Good for Larry C.|
|May-23-14|| ||vkk: <HeMateMe> its a part of the US chess league|
|May-23-14|| ||vkk: its gotta be legit if Krush is willing to play on their team|
|May-23-14|| ||HeMateMe: The Knights! Hey, that's her ex-husband, Pascal, on board 2, unless this is a very old roster that you just posted. If not, good to see that they are still friendly.|
|May-23-14|| ||Shams: <HeMateMe><unless this is a very old roster>|
If only there were a calendar year prominently displayed several times on that page.
|May-23-14|| ||HeMateMe: I didn't find the page interesting enough to give it a Holmsian perusal, but thanks for your keen observation.|
|May-25-14|| ||thegoodanarchist: <Shams: <HeMateMe><unless this is a very old roster>|
If only there were a calendar year prominently displayed several times on that page.>
LMAO! I love this kind of humor..
|Jun-25-14|| ||Captain Hindsight: How ironic:
For years now, the average American has been in a state of Missouri.
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