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TOURNAMENT STANDINGS
Hainan Danzhou GM Tournament

Ding Liren6.5/9(+4 -0 =5)[games]
Bu Xiangzhi6.5/9(+5 -1 =3)[games]
Arkadij Naiditsch5.5/9(+3 -1 =5)[games]
Ruslan Ponomariov5.5/9(+2 -0 =7)[games]
Yu Yangyi4/9(+2 -3 =4)[games]
Qun Ma4/9(+1 -2 =6)[games]
Zhou Weiqi4/9(+2 -3 =4)[games]
Wei Yi3.5/9(+0 -2 =7)[games]
Xiu Deshun3.5/9(+2 -4 =3)[games]
Zhao Jun2/9(+0 -5 =4)[games]
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Chessgames.com Chess Event Description
Hainan Danzhou GM (2014)

The 5th Hainan Danzhou GM tournament was played in Danzhou, China 25 June - 4 July 2014. Time controls: 90 minutes for the first 40 moves, 30 extra minutes for the remaining moves, with a 30-second increment per move from move one. Tournament director: Ye Jiangchuan. Chief arbiter: Lin Feng. Ding Liren won with 6.5/9.

Report by Peter Doggers (with photos): https://www.chess.com/news/view/din... TWIC: http://theweekinchess.com/chessnews... Crosstable (http://www.chess-results.com/tnr138...) :

Elo 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 Ding Liren 2714 * 1 1 1 1 6 2 Bu Xiangzhi 2693 * 0 1 1 1 1 1 6 3 Naiditsch 2705 1 * 1 0 1 5 4 Ponomariov 2723 * 1 1 5 5 Yu Yangyi 2675 0 0 * 1 0 1 4 6 Qun Ma 2609 0 0 * 1 4 7 Zhou Weiqi 2601 0 0 1 0 * 1 4 8 Wei Yi 2634 0 0 * 3 9 Xiu Deshun 2550 0 0 0 1 0 * 1 3 10 Zhao Jun 2603 0 0 0 0 0 * 2

Previous edition: Hainan Danzhou GM (2013). Next: Hainan Danzhou GM (2015)

 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Wei Yi vs Yu Yangyi  ½-½392014Hainan Danzhou GMB33 Sicilian
2. Ponomariov vs Zhou Weiqi  ½-½392014Hainan Danzhou GME46 Nimzo-Indian
3. Bu Xiangzhi vs Qun Ma 1-0592014Hainan Danzhou GMD17 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
4. Naiditsch vs Xiu Deshun  ½-½652014Hainan Danzhou GMC78 Ruy Lopez
5. Ding Liren vs Zhao Jun 1-0372014Hainan Danzhou GME90 King's Indian
6. Xiu Deshun vs Bu Xiangzhi 0-1392014Hainan Danzhou GMD10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
7. Zhao Jun vs Zhou Weiqi ½-½642014Hainan Danzhou GMC49 Four Knights
8. Yu Yangyi vs Ponomariov  ½-½382014Hainan Danzhou GMC45 Scotch Game
9. Qun Ma vs Wei Yi  ½-½462014Hainan Danzhou GMB51 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack
10. Ding Liren vs Naiditsch  ½-½942014Hainan Danzhou GMD50 Queen's Gambit Declined
11. Zhou Weiqi vs Yu Yangyi  ½-½572014Hainan Danzhou GMD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
12. Ponomariov vs Qun Ma  ½-½722014Hainan Danzhou GMB11 Caro-Kann, Two Knights, 3...Bg4
13. Wei Yi vs Xiu Deshun  ½-½482014Hainan Danzhou GMC91 Ruy Lopez, Closed
14. Bu Xiangzhi vs Ding Liren  ½-½602014Hainan Danzhou GME63 King's Indian, Fianchetto, Panno Variation
15. Naiditsch vs Zhao Jun  1-0652014Hainan Danzhou GMC07 French, Tarrasch
16. Naiditsch vs Bu Xiangzhi  1-0362014Hainan Danzhou GMB31 Sicilian, Rossolimo Variation
17. Ding Liren vs Wei Yi  ½-½352014Hainan Danzhou GMD40 Queen's Gambit Declined, Semi-Tarrasch
18. Xiu Deshun vs Ponomariov 0-1502014Hainan Danzhou GME32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
19. Qun Ma vs Zhou Weiqi  1-0562014Hainan Danzhou GMC92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
20. Zhao Jun vs Yu Yangyi 0-1152014Hainan Danzhou GMB30 Sicilian
21. Xiu Deshun vs Yu Yangyi 1-0722014Hainan Danzhou GME15 Queen's Indian
22. Bu Xiangzhi vs Wei Yi  1-0352014Hainan Danzhou GMA15 English
23. Naiditsch vs Ponomariov  ½-½302014Hainan Danzhou GMC67 Ruy Lopez
24. Yu Yangyi vs Qun Ma  1-0562014Hainan Danzhou GMB66 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6
25. Zhou Weiqi vs Xiu Deshun 1-0422014Hainan Danzhou GMD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45  PGN Download
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Jun-30-14  blade2012: my two cents, in italian, but gugol translate helps

http://www.scacchierando.it/superto...

Jul-04-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Troller: Was this tournament rated? Going by Chess-Results it seems not.
Jul-04-14  SimonWebbsTiger: @<Troller>

The tourney isn't finished yet. I would be mightily surprised if it isn't rated!

BTW, there is another chessbase report on the following link http://en.chessbase.com/post/chines...

Jul-04-14  paavoh: @SWT: Not over with 9 rounds for 10 players? The Chessbase site says one round to go at 8 rounds.

Do not take this correction too seriously, just filling in my daily kibitzing requirements :-)

Jul-04-14  capablancakarpov: According to Chess Results, Ding Liren won on tiebreaks!

http://www.chess-results.com/tnr138...

Is live rating is a live best of 2737.

Jul-04-14  csmath: What a lousy tournament for Wei Yi.
Jul-04-14  jphamlore: This is totally predictable what happened and will continue to happen to Wei Yi until he gets proper training on the world class level like Carlsen paid for, with Carlsen working with both Kasparov and Nielsen. What an absolute joke opening 1. e4 as White and not even being to handle a Ruy Lopez. Really?

Don't forget with each passing year what used to be extraordinary youth playing well becomes ordinary compared to other players who are catching up. Soon Wei Yi will have to concern himself more with exams to go to university, and then it will be over for him to ever compete for a World Championship, forever.

Jul-04-14  Refused: <csmath: What a lousy tournament for Wei Yi.>

Yep. Happens. He looked quite solid until he finished with his losses in the closing rounds.

My guess is, it's time for him to opt for different openings. The Giucco is a fine opening on junior levels, but now it's time to grow up.

Jul-04-14  dumbgai: Nobody gets to the top without hitting some bumps in the road. Even the best will have bad tournaments from time to time. Wei Yi is still a kid and will have many opportunities to do better.
Jul-04-14  parisattack: Congratulations to Ding Liren. I hope this starts his next significant rise.
Jul-04-14  Shams: <parisattack> I'd like to see that too, but I wish he'd go back to playing the French. I don't think he has trotted it out since this loss:

Negi vs Ding Liren, 2012

Jul-04-14  parisattack: Hi, <Shams> - Yes, me too. He seems to be doing OK with the C-K but I don't think it brings out the special qualities in his play I've admired for several years.

Have you settled on a repertoire? I am going on 48 years in chess and still can't decide! I have re-warmed considerably to the French. Check out Nepo's 3. ...a5 against the Tarrasch if you have not already.

Happy 4th to you!

Jul-04-14  Shams: <parisattack> I saw a couple of the games you flagged. Very interesting, but I think I need a much better feel for the 3...Be7 lines before I can play it. The Tarrasch is a tough nut to crack.
Jul-05-14  parisattack: <Shams> Concur on the Tarrasch. The 3. ...Be7 line - I recall a fellow in the club showing us that line early 70s - we thought he was nuts. (I think there's a game with it in one of the very early Informants.)
Jul-05-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: There is more to chess than opening play, especially at top level, than a perusal of <jphamlore>'s kibitzes would suggest, as he would quickly learn if he were somehow transformed into a competent player.
Jul-06-14  jphamlore: Ding Liren shows the obstacles Chinese players have to break through to the very top. He was given two chances to break out internationally, the invite to the 2011 World Cup and the 2013 Alekhine Memorial. He crashed and burned in both. And so he's basically done at age 21 internationally even though he's arguably China's best player, with an excellent one-on-one record versus the guy considered to be China's #1, Wang Hao.

Here's the vicious cycle Wang Hao is going to inflict on Chinese chess for about a decade: If Wang Hao is great, he'll get the one invite allocated to a Chinese player. Because the major events aren't inviting two Chinese. And if Wang Hao isn't great, then the major events will think no Chinese is worthy of an invite.

Jul-07-14  Shams: <jphamlore> If that is the case, why is it a problem unique to Chinese players?
Jul-07-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: <And so he's basically done at age 21 internationally even though he's arguably China's best player,>

If there aren't enough world class events in China for a young player to play against the top 30 players, maybe he should move to Europe, where these people show up in tournaments other than the super GM events? That is, if China allows their players to seek temporary work visas in Europe or dual citizenship. I don't know their stance on that.

If they aren't put under house arrest for asking to live and play in Europe for a year, isn't this a possible solution to the problem--lots of good players, but not enough venues for them?

Jul-07-14  zoren: <Shams>

It really isn't a problem unique to Chinese players as far as I know in chess history. For example during the 80's 90's, in the British top players experienced similar difficulty because they were always at best #2 to Nigel Short. In fact, they just moved on to a new career or quit. (Hodgson, Sadler) I'm sure this is not the only instance.

<jphamlore> <HeMateMe>

I don't really see it as a problem with the system though really, if you're more qualified, then you get to play more frequently in closed tournaments. Additionally, making a move to play in open tournaments when a player is already in the chess elite may not be wise - it is frequent that a top player eventually gets nicked by a computer generated novelty by someone 2300-2400 range and you can lose a lot of ELO.

Jul-07-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: It seems that if the Chinese men are rated 2650, they will just swap points among themselves, unless they break the circle and the more ambitious ones go to live in Europe, where tournament invitations are more frequent. There, they can move up by beating higher rated opponents, and learning along the way. If they can't beat those players, then they had no reason to leave China.
Jul-08-14  ex0duz: All they need to do is host more of these elite events themselves. Like the one where Carlsen had his best results ever. IIRC, Pearl Spring Tournament or something?

That way they can invite 2, 3 or however many players that they want. Pretty sure they can afford it if they really wanted to since the government sponsors and trains their players AFAIK.

I'm curious as to why there were only 2 foreign players, and even though they are elite players, why Ponomariov and Naiditsch in particular..

Jul-08-14  jphamlore: The Chinese know full well how to turn 12-year olds into professional board games players and eventually champions. The problem is their knowledge of how to train Go players does not seem to be applied to (international) chess. It might take another generation at least for a Chinese chess player to become a true contender for the World Chess Championship.

I think Go has a much stronger tradition of the need for formal schools and for some sort of mentoring.

http://www.usgo.org/news/2014/02/go...

"Eight of 20 of you correctly named Yang Yi 6P as Gu Lis key teacher. He is Director of Chongqing Qiyuan and has trained many talented go players since 1979, receiving numerous national and regional awards for his contributions to go. In 1995, he recommended Gu Lis induction into the Chinese National Youth Team. Two years later, Yang reserved a spot for Gu Li (age 14 at the time) on the Chongqing Go Team despite objections from many people."

That's why I have said for a while that if the Chinese were serious about international chess, they would hire someone on the order of Kasparov to train Wei Yi. And then Wei Yi might not make it to the very top but he would go on to train China's next generation of chess players.

Jul-10-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  eternaloptimist: I must say Ding is 1 of the most solid chess players in the world & he proved it by getting through the tourney unscathed. He also tied for 1st place to boot!
Jul-12-14  1d410: Bu Xiangzhi is the future of Chinese chess
Jul-12-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: That future of Chinese chess will arrive, only long after Ding has established himself as the stronger player.
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