| page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 28
|1. Naiditsch vs Adams
||½-½||49||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C67 Ruy Lopez|
|2. D Baramidze vs Caruana
||0-1||75||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||A81 Dutch|
|3. Kramnik vs G Meier
||0-1||41||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||A30 English, Symmetrical|
|4. Leko vs Ponomariov
|| ||½-½||43||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||A88 Dutch, Leningrad, Main Variation with c6|
|5. G Meier vs Leko
||½-½||27||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||E06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3|
|6. Adams vs Kramnik
||½-½||68||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||A45 Queen's Pawn Game|
|7. D Baramidze vs Naiditsch
||0-1||50||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||E04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3|
|8. Caruana vs Ponomariov
||1-0||41||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C42 Petrov Defense|
|9. Kramnik vs D Baramidze
||½-½||53||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||E07 Catalan, Closed|
|10. Naiditsch vs Caruana
||½-½||38||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C67 Ruy Lopez|
|11. Leko vs Adams
|| ||½-½||33||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C67 Ruy Lopez|
|12. Ponomariov vs G Meier
|| ||½-½||38||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C11 French|
|13. Caruana vs G Meier
||1-0||38||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C11 French|
|14. Naiditsch vs Kramnik
||½-½||47||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C67 Ruy Lopez|
|15. D Baramidze vs Leko
||½-½||52||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||E06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3|
|16. Adams vs Ponomariov
||½-½||54||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense|
|17. Ponomariov vs D Baramidze
||½-½||65||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C95 Ruy Lopez, Closed, Breyer|
|18. Kramnik vs Caruana
||½-½||48||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||E60 King's Indian Defense|
|19. Leko vs Naiditsch
||1-0||50||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||D36 Queen's Gambit Declined, Exchange, Positional line, 6.Qc2|
|20. G Meier vs Adams
||½-½||60||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||D12 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav|
|21. D Baramidze vs G Meier
||½-½||38||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||E01 Catalan, Closed|
|22. Kramnik vs Leko
||½-½||41||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||E14 Queen's Indian|
|23. Naiditsch vs Ponomariov
||1-0||49||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C95 Ruy Lopez, Closed, Breyer|
|24. Caruana vs Adams
||1-0||48||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||C67 Ruy Lopez|
|25. G Meier vs Naiditsch
||1-0||65||2014||Dortmund Sparkassen||E98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1|
| page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 28
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|Jul-20-14|| ||Shams: "No way"? How many more times does he need to beat Carlsen before you admit the possibility?|
|Jul-20-14|| ||Shams: Also, "Caruno"?|
|Jul-20-14|| ||HeMateMe: <How many more times does he need to beat Carlson before you admit the possibility?>|
When Caruna becomes a legitimate threat to win a Candidates tournament, then he is a legitimate threat to beat Carlson in a 16 game match. He is getting closer, but is not there just yet.
MC has beaten him 4-3 in classic, plus 8-2 in rapids/exhibition games, according to the database here. That is a bit surprising. For people of Carlsen's age group, he appears to be the only person who has had an impact on him.
I don't recall if Caruana even made it to the last Candidates tournament, so he has some work to do. BTW, if Caruana is improving, isn't it also possible that the 23 year old MC will be improving at the same time?
|Jul-20-14|| ||Shams: Lately the only page you make any sense on is the basketball one.|
|Jul-21-14|| ||HeMateMe: If you think Fabs is in the same league as MC, fine. The next year will be telling. More likely, I see him being a Gelfand or Aronian, very close to the top guys, but not winning the biggest prize.|
I would love to see Caruana play a very close, hard fought match with Carlsen. I just don't think he's quite that good, not yet.
|Jul-21-14|| ||Sokrates: <dx9293: <csmath> ...
Maybe the London Candidates in 2013 was Kramnik's last hurrah.> Yes, maybe, and maybe not. Let's not forget the grande scale of that victory only about a year ago. He equaled Carlsen in score over the world elite and only the tie rules plus the unpredictable performance by Ivanchuk gave Carlsen the victory. |
Psychologically, the outcome of this serious attempt may have discouraged Kramnik so that he has lost both some of his former undivided self-confidence - and his general joy in playing the game. His results since the candidates strongly indicate that he isn't the same Kramnik we use to see. However, I wouldn't dare claiming his days are over. Not long ago the same "jury" sentenced Anand to the fields of oblivion, and behold: he got back in great style.
We speak about Anand and Kramnik as if they are "old" men in their 50s, but chesswise they are in fact in their best age. And anyway: chess history bursts with examples of strong players, who right up their ages had tremendous results (Lasker, Botvinnik, Smyslow, Korchnoi to name a few).
I think the problem for Kramnik may be lack of motivation combined with the above mentioned disappointment in London last year. When he loses to a player like Meier (and let's not make him worse than he is: after all he's second in this very tournament) and watching the way he lost the game, I see a Kramnik playing like an automaton, without sincere ambition and sharpness. But ambition and sharpness may return one day, and I would by no means exclude that from the great chess-player Kramnik. As I have stated before, I don't like the person Kramnik, but I highly respect the player, and he doesn't lose his general strength because of a few weak results.
|Jul-21-14|| ||Chessinfinite: Congrats to Caruana for strong win at Dortmund, and becoming the seventh player to reach 2800 + official rating. Nice. |
Is '2800' the new '2700' already ? In 1994, there were something like 6 players above 2700, now twenty years later, there are 7 players above 2800. Wow.
|Jul-21-14|| ||bobthebob: <Yes, maybe, and maybe not. Let's not forget the grande scale of that victory only about a year ago.>|
Kramnik has said that he expected to retire after 40. He just turned 39.
I expect he will try one more hurrah if he qualifies for the next candidate tournament. If he isn't playing for the WC title, I doubt he will be that active.
The candidates may have been "grande scale" in terms of tying Carlsen, but the field was weak. Many of those aren't the up and comers - look where some are today:
#27, #13, #14, #16
His results since then have been awful and he was 1.5 games out of first in the 2014 Candidates and he drew both games against the #27 rated player.
|Jul-21-14|| ||HeMateMe: He has a family. What would VK do, if not play chess? Teach Phys Ed. with Morovich?|
|Jul-21-14|| ||kingscrusher: I am scheduling a Chessbase show for tommorow night (22nd July 2014) at 8.00pm UK time checking out Caruana's games from this tournament in particular:|
Maybe see some of you there
|Jul-21-14|| ||waustad: Many players eventually wind up playing mostly in leagues, with an occasional tournament thrown in. It isn't retirement, but there isn't the grind of travelling all over and spending most of one's life in hotels all over the planet. Perhaps Kramnik will follow this path, leaving him time to write or coach if he so desires.|
|Jul-21-14|| ||waustad: Georg Meier is busy. He ended one tournament Sunday and is playing Monday at the Politiken Cup.|
|Jul-21-14|| ||bobthebob: <waustad> Agree.
Kramnik mentioned in an interview how much he enjoys being at home with his family (vs. going on vacation somewhere). He may still be active, but not play in as many tourneys, or work so hard on preparation, but with that comes an understandable decline in his ranking with the occasional great result in a tourney.
|Jul-21-14|| ||Gypsy: Back to the Champion: Using a rowing metaphor, one gets a sense that Caruana is opening a lot of open water on the general field in pursuit. It is not so much that he has won this tournament, but how he won it that impresses. In the games he drew, Caruana played solid moves; never was in a dicey position, let alone in a loosing one. In the games he won, he won them by a sound steady pressure from start to finish; no trickery, no drama, no 'lucky gifts' from his opponents.|
|Jul-21-14|| ||Kinghunt: <Gypsy> Agreed. For the first time in quite a while, Aronian is going to face some serious pressure for the #2 spot.|
|Jul-21-14|| ||tamar: Suddenly Caruana looks more threatening than Aronian. |
This tournament fit perfectly into his ideal scenario. The early victories over Baramidze and Ponomariov allowed him to play without risk, and in such conditions, he rivals Carlsen for eliciting mistakes with error free play.
|Jul-21-14|| ||Kanatahodets: <bobthebob: Kramnik has said that he expected to retire after 40. He just turned 39.> 39 is a child's age. The problem is that Vlad started serious chess at a very early age. And he worked without breaks. It is impossible. A human being is given maximum 30 years of very productive time. Normally it is 20 from 20 till 40. Then one has to reap benefits and be a member of different stupid committees making all kind of retrograde activity. Better to retire.|
|Jul-21-14|| ||chancho: |
<Fabiano Caruana: "I learned to play quite late, when I’d just finished primary school.
At the time I was about 10 years old…
It happened completely by accident.
My mobile phone turned out to have chess on it, and I was curious what kind of a game it was – so I learned the rules.
At first it was just a distraction, but I got so gripped by it that only two years later, when I was 12, I started my professional chess career.">
It covers a lot of what Fabiano has done to make him the player he is today:
|Jul-21-14|| ||Shams: <chancho> Thanks for the link, but did you read the comments? One guy says he looked up Caruana's USCF record, and found that he was already a seasoned tournament veteran by the age of ten. Curious.|
|Jul-21-14|| ||IraqSon: If Caruana deserves to be first in this tournament there must be something fishy to see Kramnik stands before the last.|
|Jul-21-14|| ||Shams: How about Meier, +1 and equal second. Not bad at all.|
|Jul-21-14|| ||Absentee: <IraqSon: If Caruana deserves to be first in this tournament there must be something fishy to see Kramnik stands before the last.>|
Meaning? Caruana has been a top player for a while now, and Kramnik's been having shaky results since after the 2013 Candidates. What's fishy about it?
|Jul-21-14|| ||IraqSon: Whatever crappy Kramnik would play he is not that light weight to be beaten by a small boy. it's so fishy!|
|Jul-21-14|| ||Absentee: If you mean Caruana, the little boy happens to be one of the strongest players in the world.|
|Jul-21-14|| ||IraqSon: Apart from results and ratings this tournament had a very poor quality of chess.|
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