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🏆 Tata Steel Masters (2015)

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Played in Wijk aan Zee, Netherlands 10-25 January 2015, with Round 5 in Rotterdam (January 15) and Round 10 in Den Haag (January 21). Crosstable ( ... [more]

Player: Vassily Ivanchuk

 page 1 of 1; 13 games  PGN Download 
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Ivanchuk vs Jobava 1-0432015Tata Steel MastersB32 Sicilian
2. Radjabov vs Ivanchuk  ½-½532015Tata Steel MastersA05 Reti Opening
3. Ivanchuk vs Van Wely 1-0382015Tata Steel MastersB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
4. Ivanchuk vs M Vachier-Lagrave 1-0302015Tata Steel MastersB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
5. Ding Liren vs Ivanchuk ½-½262015Tata Steel MastersD11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
6. Ivanchuk vs I Saric ½-½492015Tata Steel MastersD12 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
7. A Giri vs Ivanchuk ½-½1022015Tata Steel MastersD43 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
8. Ivanchuk vs W So 0-1262015Tata Steel MastersC84 Ruy Lopez, Closed
9. R Wojtaszek vs Ivanchuk ½-½362015Tata Steel MastersE11 Bogo-Indian Defense
10. Ivanchuk vs Carlsen ½-½182015Tata Steel MastersD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
11. Aronian vs Ivanchuk ½-½382015Tata Steel MastersD11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
12. Ivanchuk vs Caruana  ½-½382015Tata Steel MastersD91 Grunfeld, 5.Bg5
13. Yifan Hou vs Ivanchuk  ½-½302015Tata Steel MastersC53 Giuoco Piano
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Jan-27-15  Absentee: <plang: All this discussion about creativity - has anyone attempted to define it?

I suspect different people would have different ideas about what it means - there is a subjective element to it.>

Forget about creativity, there's no agreement on what A CHINESE is, so...

Jan-27-15  lainulo: erratum:

at wikipedia

Jan-27-15  lainulo: <A CHINESE is, so...>

So is a filipino. He is not chinese.

He only shifted to the US federation to the USA after his universiade gold was not honored by the country.

Jan-27-15  Absentee: < lainulo: erratum:

at wikipedia>

The correct form is "on wikipedia", but "in wikipedia" is acceptable too. "At wikipedia" however is wrong.

Jan-27-15  lainulo: I grew up idolizing chinese superstars. Before bruce lee, there was carter wang of 18 bronze men, then meng fei, alexander fu sheng...then comes jacky chan who first starred in the 18 wooden men...the latest is jet li.

They were kungfu practitioners. Kungfu is a chinese martial arts. I spent most of my childhood learning different kungfu styles like snake, dragon, crane, tiger, monkey...

Kungfu fighting. This is creative stuff:

http://youtu.be/qzPcMzy4WI8

Jan-27-15  uncleostrich: @overgod, we get it, you hate the Chinese, you simply can't stand them, their language etc.. and your source is really list is pretty much a ranking of country openess - which is a factor that the research consider to be determining creativity. Anyone can come up with their own criteria. And this openess criteria will rank China lower - what a surprise. Might as well put up a list of countries with good human rights as opined by western standards. I mean, you really think your opinion carries much merit when your racist spew is all over the place? and FYI, HK is part of China - yeah, similar digusting language that you despise so much. Highest IQ ranking in the world? oh?
Jan-27-15
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  diceman: <plang: All this discussion about creativity - has anyone attempted to define it?>

Of course not, that could open the door to being wrong.

Jan-27-15  lainulo: China is infact very creative...it plans to create a new map by inclusion of islands and territories belonging to others as part of their domain...
Jan-27-15  lainulo: < @overgod, we get it, you hate the Chinese, you simply can't stand them, their language etc.>

Maybe he detests communism, he abhors not only the system but also it's by product- i.e. a race with stifled basic human rights ...the power to be creative rests not on its citizens but upon its communist party.

He should have viewed these folks as victims of circumstance and offered them comfort and consolation instead of pointing out their infection as some sort of communicable disease.

Jan-27-15  Overgod: < uncleostrich: @overgod, we get it, you hate the Chinese, you simply can't stand them, their language etc.. and your source is really list is pretty much a ranking of country openess - which is a factor that the research consider to be determining creativity. Anyone can come up with their own criteria. And this openess criteria will rank China lower - what a surprise. Might as well put up a list of countries with good human rights as opined by western standards. I mean, you really think your opinion carries much merit when your racist spew is all over the place? and FYI, HK is part of China - yeah, similar digusting language that you despise so much. Highest IQ ranking in the world? oh? >

What the hell are you talking about? Not a single ranking criterion is about "openness" as you claim. The criteria are:

* Tolerance of new ideas

* Innovation in Technology

* Amount of talent recruited/nurtured

And China is smack bam at the bottom of the list. And if we go by historical contributions to Arts, Music, Science,..., it would fare even worse.

From now on, if you have a problem with China's miserable lack of creativity, take it up with the <Martin Prosperity Institute>, who researched and developed the report.

Stop wasting my time with your gibberish and other off-topic posts.

To anybody in here who has a problem with China's pathetic output of creativity, take it up with the <Martin Prosperity Institute>. Send them an email and inform them of your brilliant ideas.

Let them know how wrong they got it, and how racist they are, and how much they hate the Chinese. Tell them you're going to sue them for libel and boycott their products. Tell them about "the Art of War," and how impressive you thought the Chinese Olympics were and how you heard about Ding Dong Dai getting accepted into Stanford and how this proves what a creative people they are. Accuse them of bigotry and argue how China deserves to be in the top 5 most creative nations on Earth...

Go on, you tell them. Just stop dribbling your drool in here, as it is completely irrelevant to this thread and has been beaten to death a long time ago already.

Move on, apes.

Jan-27-15
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Overgod,

"Stop wasting my time with your gibberish and other off-topic posts."

You started it!

and this bit,

"...China is smack bam at the bottom of the list. And if we go by historical contributions to Arts, Music, Science,..., it would fare even worse."

Oh Really, can we go back over 2,000BC where in most mojor museums you can see some amazing pieces of Chinese artwork.

The Chinese were producing work of art, carrying out operations, printing on paper and studying the stars whilst all other contries on that list still thought the earth was flat.

I've no idea who these puffed up exeprts are declaring China as a non-creative race.

They are of course wrong and need blowing up with gunpowder...which by the way was invented by the Chinese.

Jan-27-15  0o0o0o0o0: Sally Simpson. The creativity in chess for me is the plan. Each player looks at the position and creates a plan. Some follow theoretical/know lines these are of course not creative.However, I think that some plans are original to the position and might be the creative aspect rather than pattern recognition.
Jan-27-15  Rolfo: <S Simpson> <..Is intuition the same as the current buzz word 'creativity>

Hi there, thanks for interesting sharing of experience. I do not think intuition and creativity is the same.
As you describe it playing along lines of rule, known patterns, and pure calculation is hardly creativity, while exploring new lines, unexpected patterns or trying out new solutions to known tactical problems, daring offers etc may involve creativity. While intuition is playing 'right' moves without calculation IMO. There may exist a link between intuition and creativity, playing based on intuition may lead to creativity, may be

Jan-27-15  kummatmebro: I hate everyone of you so much for the I g this j to a politic and race debate
Jan-27-15  Rolfo: Overgod, this debate is not about objective themes only, it involves people and emotions
Jan-27-15  bulibug: Creativity....

Lainulo- +100
Overgod- zero

Jan-27-15
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  Gypsy: <Perhaps in the future I will conduct my own ranking based on historical achievements in the arts and sciences, along with other factors...>

Here is -- I suspect -- where you are missing the elephant in the room: Over the centuries, the number, quality, and level of imagination of Chinese technological innovations are simply staggering. But we have adapted those innovations and have made them so commonplace that we do not perceive them as coming originally from China at all. When one asks a random person to name a handful of Chinese technology innovations, they usually get quickly bogged down right after ... <1. gunpowder>. Yet there is so much more! Well read people may sometimes come up with things like <2. silk, 3. ceramics, 4. human flight, or 5. water-tight compartment sailing vessels>. But precious few will also have heard of things like <6. matches>, or <7. propane-butane gas stored in containers>. And so on.

I hope you will go and find such facts for yourself. You sound earnest enough to change you mind on the topic. I recall an old history prof., from years ago, who's specialty was ancient China and Japan. He was found of saying: <China and Japan have already forgotten more than we will ever know.> Highly unlikely in the literal sense, of course, but you get the point.

Jan-27-15  pinoy king: Lainulo - 1
Overgod - 0
Jan-27-15  Rolfo: <..To anybody in here who has a problem with China's pathetic output of creativity, take it up with the <Martin Prosperity Institute>. Send them an email and inform them of your brilliant ideas.>

I wonder if not this Organization's definition is based on serving economic goals, global world capitalism so to speak. May be a broader base of criteria would give a more diversified result

Jan-27-15  Overgod: <Gypsy>:

I appreciate your contribution, but note that the very exact notions you present have already been discussed and dispensed with many pages ago. We've discussed this all already. You're not adding anything new here, and I am not going to repeat myself.

Please stay on topic. This is about Tata Steel 2015, not about China being ranked at the bottom of the Global Creativity Index. If you have a problem with this, please contact the <Martin Prosperity Institute>. Let them know about your professor's ramblings there...

I'm sure they will appreciate it and re-consider their ranking and place China as the well-deserved numero uno. You might even get credited as an editor and become world famous!

Jan-27-15
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  AylerKupp: <<cow> I thought when people pay for a memebership to a site with rules (enter a contract) that those rules would be enforced and people who paid for the membership would understand that. ... I realize now that I was wrong.>

You are not wrong, but enforcement requires the cooperation of both the site visitors and the site administration. I don't know if you have reported the poster of any posts that you feel violate the posting guidelines listed at the bottom of every page but, if you haven't, you should. And so should everyone else who feels that a poster has violated the posting guidelines. It would be impossible for the site administrators to review each and every post in all pages to ensure that all posts meet their posting guidelines.

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So, if that happens, report them again. It is only through constant vigilance and action that this site can remain enjoyable for the majority of visitors.

Jan-27-15  echever7: It seems Aronians decline began with no winning the candidates last year. May be he feels it was his last opportunity to dispute the world championship due to his age... I mean, he should remember Gelfand...
Jan-27-15
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  keypusher: <cow> There's also the ignore list.
Jan-27-15  Absentee: <keypusher: <cow> There's also the ignore list.>

It's not much use when the whole discussion gets derailed.

Jan-27-15  patfoley: The tail end of a tournament kibitz thread inevitably becomes a more open-ended discussion of the implications of the results. That does not bother me, but the more vicious comments do.

We also tend to over-interpret results. Magnus showed championship drive and resilience, agreed. But his victory hinged (among other things) on a single, too-timid Ding Liren move a3 instead of f3. Liren almost won this tournament, which might have helped forestall some of the less agreeable discussion. But even if Liren had won that game, Carlsen showed great resilience and drive. As did several other players.

We may be in a best-among-near-equals chess era. Carlsen, based on the past two years, is the best player, but he does not dominate the way Fischer or Kasparov dominated. Of course, this tournament may be the start of a dominating streak by Carlsen.

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