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|Apr-15-15|| ||kingscrusher: Nearly a 2800 FIDE Rating performance at the Dubai Open 2015: British GM David Howell|
I video annotated some of his key games here:
|Apr-15-15|| ||PhilFeeley: Although I have no doubt about the cheating, the iPhone notation in the Petrosian-Nigalidze game (from the photo in the WP story) doesn't match the scoresheet, and the final position doesn't match exactly either.|
|Apr-15-15|| ||tamar: <PhilFeeley> That is strange. Read <offramp>'s comments on the game page T L Petrosian vs G Nigalidze, 2015|
Either it shows the position Nigalidze was analyzing, or the arbiter in the process of seeing whose account the iphone was in, put it back on a spot they thought matched up.
Since the opening on the iphone is a transposition of the game, it might be possible to tell where the first position Nigalidze consulted it.
|Apr-15-15|| ||ajile: <Appaz: <boz> Three years is one year more than the general doping ban in sports and there are always the principle of a second chance.>|
If you are caught red-handed like this guy and there is no doubt he cheated then IMO it should be a lifetime ban PLUS you lose all your rating points for life.
No second chances and no forgiveness for cheaters EVER.
|Apr-15-15|| ||OhioChessFan: Agree 100% with <ajile>|
|Apr-15-15|| ||Appaz: <ajile> I have a hard time disagreeing, but I try to make up my mind on principle in this case.|
Kick him out for some time, then give him a second chance.
Bigger names than this guy has successfully "rehabilitated" after being caught cheating and then contributed a great deal to chess.
But in cases like this: strip them of their titles and wins, and prosecute them in a court for fraud.
|Apr-15-15|| ||ajile: What about all the people that lost REAL MONEY in past tournaments because of this crook? Do any of these players get any of their prize money that they should have earned? Weeks and months and years of study all wasted because of a cheater who took a shortcut to fame and fortune.|
I realize my dream of lifetime bans is just a wild fantasy and these scammers will continue to scam so at the very least this guy should have to return all the money he has made in the last few tournaments to qualify for his weak and lame 3 year suspension.
|Apr-16-15|| ||PhilFeeley: Another bad standings table. The winner was #19, Dragan Solak from Turkey. There were 6 with 7/9.|
|Apr-16-15|| ||Catholic Bishop: lolllll meanwhile
The number one ranked computer Go program Crazy Stone just got slaughtered in the 'Denseisen', an annual Japanese man-vs-machine match, by a semi-retired Pro...
...on a three stone handicap.
|Apr-16-15|| ||Catholic Bishop: Former World Champion Yoda Norimoto's assessment of the current state of the art in Computer Go:|
'On FOUR stones they are quite competitive with average Pros. On THREE stones, the Pro may expect to lose 1 game out of 100.'
|Apr-16-15|| ||Appaz: <<ajile> What about all the people that lost REAL MONEY in past tournaments because of this crook?>|
That's why we should put them to court for <fraud>, because that is what it is. Same goes for cheaters and dopers in other sports.
The swindled players would probably still not get their money back, but at least it sends a message to other potential cheaters of how serious this is.
|Apr-16-15|| ||MagnusVerMagnus: Yes, but that is how us Professional Sports "Handicappers" make our money...because we know or can deduce when some one/team is gonna let us say not play their best. That is sports, that is why I can see when something is crooked, I have been doing it for a long time and it has paid for a lot of good stuff, sadly much of it went up my nose and veins...|
|Apr-16-15|| ||offramp: I am in total agreement with <Appaz>.|
|Apr-16-15|| ||MagnusVerMagnus: Does anyone have any idea how many are cheating (even just a move a game) now?|
|Apr-16-15|| ||Tomlinsky: <MVM> No.|
|Apr-16-15|| ||ajile: <Appaz:>
Good idea. Use the legal system to get the money back.
|Apr-16-15|| ||Appaz: <<ajile> Good idea.>|
Not my idea, doesn't some European countries already practice this for doping? At least it has been discussed frequently.
Lance Armstrong is also in some serious legal trouble, but I believe that is civil lawsuits.
|Apr-16-15|| ||jphamlore: I suspect the post-game interviews in the very top events are going to weed out the obvious cheaters who are dramatically elevating their rating. They simply won't be able to explain what was happening in their winning games.|
|Apr-16-15|| ||Shams: Except as <Appaz> noted it's unlikely plaintiffs could ever recover. Meanwhile it costs money to bring the suit in the first place...|
Massive* public shame and a long ban, those aren't inconsequential punishments.
[*Ok, massive within the microscopic world of chess]
|Apr-16-15|| ||Kasparov Fan: If anybody doesn't love chess please stay away from it.But don't do such stuff which is disgraceful.
The only way to stop cheating in chess is lifetime ban and criminal case against these cheaters.|
|Apr-17-15|| ||offramp: Nigalidze was NOT caught red-handed. The phone was found and he apparently admitted it. Red-handed would be to be caught phone in hand...|
|Apr-18-15|| ||whiteshark: "The 17th Dubai Open reached itís pinnacle of exictement when after the penultimate round there were no less than five players in the lead with 6.5/8. They included the top seed David Howell, Vladimir Fedoseev, Eltaj Safarli, Dragan Solak and Alexander Shabalov. In the end six players had 7.0/9 points, with Dragan Solak edging out his rivals on tie-break."|
<Giant report by Sagar Shah> : http://en.chessbase.com/post/dragan...
|Apr-18-15|| ||PhilFeeley: It's quite odd <CG.com> hasn't updated the results here. Does only one person work there?|
|Apr-18-15|| ||PhilFeeley: This is really silly: it doesn't even have the winner at 7/9.|
|Apr-20-15|| ||Conrad93: < If you think a story in the Daily Mail constitutes proof, then presumably you don't eat any food as it all causes cancer of some type or other.>|
This story isn't just on the Daily Mail.
It's on every major news site.
CNN, Fox, Daily Mail, Gawker, The Guardian, NY Post, etc.
Chess usually doesn't get this kind of attention.
One exception is Carissa Yip.
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