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|Apr-29-15|| ||AsosLight: Nice to see USA playing with a legitimate team. They proved that achieving something with your own sources is much more respectful and ethical than stealing from someone else table.|
|Apr-29-15|| ||dumbgai: <C team> I'm pretty sure the American team here is their B team.|
The team here (Shankland, Onischuk, Lenderman, Naroditsky, Akobian) are ranked 4, 5, 7, 8, 9.
The A team would be Nakamura, So, Kamsky, Shankland, and Onischuk (or possibly Robson).
|Apr-29-15|| ||dumbgai: <AsosLight> Not sure what you mean, 3 of the 5 players on the American team weren't born here. Lenderman moved here as a kid, but Akobian and Onischuk moved here when they were adults.|
|Apr-29-15|| ||perfidious: To some, Nakamura does not count either, though he also moved to USA at a very early age--not that <asholight> cares one whit for any view other than his line of xenophobia and racism.|
|Apr-29-15|| ||Climatebomb: Make taxation illegal.Doh!!
Don't fund socialism,it destroyed the west!
End the massive war on prosperity,masqueraded
as a war on poverty.
China,a socialist country,has taken 800 million people out of poverty.
The west has plunged as many into poverty using outdated 19th and
20th century ideologies.
|Apr-29-15|| ||jphamlore: I think it won't be long until Samuel Sevian's play has progressed to where he would be worthy to be on the United States A team of chess.|
|Apr-29-15|| ||HeMateMe: How about: The Pimple Summit--Wei v. Sammy S. at the St. Louis Chess Club, 4 game match, sponsored by Rex S.? The future of chess, two strong teen players slugging it out. Winner gets the new Apple watch and a fold out picture book of Sofia Vergara's butt?|
|Apr-30-15|| ||ex0duz: Congrats to China. I guess they are now the undisputed world team champions since they won the olympiad and now also this..?|
Ding, Li Chao, and Wei Yi have had an awesome month, with Ding at rank 11 in the world and with a 2757.4 rating, and Li Chao at 16 in the world with a 2748.1 rating(moved up 11 spots). Wei Yi also had a good month and is now 2717.5 and rank 34(also moved up 11 spots)
Ridiculous how quickly these young guys improved.. and yeah. Sadly Wang Hao has dropped and is below them all now with 2710.2. Even Wang Yue is above him with 2724, same as Yu Yangyi(2722.9 and rank 31).
I think we'll get a future world champion from one of these guys.. or at least between Wei Yi and/or Ding Liren.. since they seem to have a certain motivation and 'drive' to play/win, and imo that's what the others lack, or at least compared to them.. like how Wang Hao is basically still a uni student and doesn't devote all his time and effort to improving and doesn't spend 24/7 thinking about chess.. what do you guys think?
|Apr-30-15|| ||jphamlore: <ex0duz> All of the Chinese top players of that age are university students including Ding Liren according to:|
Like the other Chinese players in university that allows him to train about 3 to 4 hours per day.
|Apr-30-15|| ||MagnusVerMagnus: China is kicking @ss in EVERYTHING now, thank God for Magnus. Russia (and whatever countries they annex) will be insignificant in everything but oil in 100 years, and they may be China properties by that point. China is the next country to dominate.|
|Apr-30-15|| ||Catholic Bishop: Now that chess has been conquered can we please move on to GO|
|Apr-30-15|| ||MagnusVerMagnus: < Catholic Bishop: > is that the code word for bring in the underage boys!? and wine of course.|
|Apr-30-15|| ||HeMateMe: will we have to learn how to use chopsticks?|
|Apr-30-15|| ||MagnusVerMagnus: Yes but they are kinda cool, if you don't have to wash them ;) and their spoons are like shovels too :)|
|Apr-30-15|| ||jphamlore: One of the reasons China is / will be dominant in the coming decades is their parents force their children to go to university instead of concentrating only on things such as chess.|
However one cannot serve two masters, so at some point one would expect China's chess stars to reach a plateau and go no higher, which is exactly what has happened so far.
|May-01-15|| ||HeMateMe: That's pretty funny. How many people in China can actually afford to go to college? How many college are there, for 1.4 billion people? That's a lotta Cliff Notes, huh? I always wondered why their exchange students over here were so good--they send over their best, and they appreciate it a little bit more than we do, secondary school is a privilege for them.|
The USA has something like 1/3 with a bachelor's degree, it's about 50% in Japan. Maybe when China can pay their workers more than $1.50 an hour they can afford to also spend more money building colleges and hiring professors.
|May-01-15|| ||john barleycorn: <HeMateMe> there is another consideration involved when a chinese student goes abroad especially to Australia. They will eventually marry an Aussie and subsequently "import" about 40 relatives from China.|
|May-01-15|| ||HeMateMe: Is a new immigrant to Oz allowed to bring the whole family? In the USA I think they curtailed that, but I'm not sure. Special exceptions might be made for technical people, specialists in science, engineering, chemistry, etc. I think our yearly immigration quotas are allowed to be overridden for such people that various industries petition the USA government to get. Either that, or the tech people automatically get spots in the green card lottery here. |
Thirty percent of the immigrants who come here arrive without a high school diploma or GED, so vital industries feel the need to list certain skills and education disciplines, and make sure that some of the immigrants fit that bill.
Some of the conservative Republicans want to end the practice of giving automatic citizenship to anyone born here, if one or both parents are here illegally.
|May-01-15|| ||john barleycorn: I am not familiar with all the details but when I asked my colleagues why there are so many asian people in Sydney I was told about this "strategy".|
|May-01-15|| ||Alien Math: <HeMateMe Maybe when China can pay their workers more than $1.50 an hour they can afford to also spend more money building colleges and hiring professors.>|
One of Ms. Zhang’s two younger brothers — China’s one-child policy is less rigorously enforced in rural areas — is a sophomore studying international trade at Tongji University,
Nor did she initially win a government scholarship. Her parents had to pay the full annual tuition of $2,000 at Sanya University, which as a private institution does not receive subsidies as generous as those given to public universities. Room and board are an additional $1,800 a year.
At top public institutions, annual tuition is a little less than $1,000 — equal to about two months’ wages for a skilled factory worker.
Chinese graduate students studying abroad typically have bachelor’s degrees from top-tier universities either at home or in the West, and they almost always excel academically while overseas http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/b...
|May-01-15|| ||ex0duz: Does anyone know why China did not field Li Chao? He's rated 2748.1 and is the 2nd highest rated player in China currently, just after Ding Liren who has 2757, which puts him just out of the top ten at rank 11 in the world. Li Chao is at like 16 in the world atm.|
Or maybe they felt that they didn't even need Li Chao, and could afford to give one of the spots to some 2500 kid? I guess it worked out exactly as they wanted to in the end, so can't really blame the coach.. i even thought Yu Yangyi wasn't playing at his best either, his game vs Sam Shoker is like one of those wild games where you don't care if you win/lose, you just wanna play wild/fun chess ahha
I wonder what's happened in China/Russia to produce such results(ie positive results in China's case, and negative in Russia's). I guess the same thing that's happening to USA in terms of geopolitics/economics is also happening to Russia. China is just unstoppable and they think in their mind that they should naturally be the best in the world(can't really blame them since they DO have the most people, along with being the oldest continuous civilization..), you can only get out the way and let them creep up and then finally overtake you in your supposedly dominant fields/areas/industries etc..
But also good to have people like Magnus Carlsen show us that you don't need the backing of some super federation to not just make it, but to completely dominate in chess. Carlsen is just a freak though i'm guessing, people shouldn't be trying to copy him because i doubt they come close to having the same temperament or be close to his level of chess ability..
|May-01-15|| ||Alien Math: <ex0duz: Does anyone know why China did not field Li Chao?> |
He played in the
<5th HD Bank Cup International
Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
March 17-22, 2015
Final Top Standings
1. GM Le Quang Liem VIE 2676, 7.5/9
2. GM Zhang Zhong SIN 2614, 7.0/9
3-6. GM Li Chao CHN 2721, GM Nguyen Ngoc Truongson VIE 2659, IM Haridas Pascua PHI 2423, GM John Paul Gomez PHI 2524, 6.5/9
Total of 80 participants http://www.bworldonline.com/content...>
|May-01-15|| ||jphamlore: <ex0duz> Read the article I linked|
about how Ding Liren was chosen to start playing chess at the age of 4.
China is so populous they can have cities that are basically dedicated to all sorts of sports.
I think one overlooked factor is that chess in the former Soviet Union was about as close to a meritocracy as was possible in that society, at least getting noticed, and much more valuable, obtaining permission to move to the big cities of Moscow or then Leningrad.
However no matter how early one starts, I suspect there is a certain age that has to pass before one can really win a world championship, around the age either Kasparov or Carlsen won it. And the years before that have to be devoted to chess. Unfortunately for the Chinese chess players, that age is also the age to go to university.
|May-03-15|| ||1d410: Russia has more chances to dominate in the future than China because of their excellent culture. Tchaikovsky, Tolstoy, so much great culture from Russia. Even better than the U.S!|
|May-03-15|| ||SirRuthless: Russia's days of dominance in chess are through. There is no difference between Russia and the US anymore. Both like Burgers and Blue Jeans. Both like Rock and Pop and even Rap music. Both are imperialist war machines. Both are in debt to China. The only difference is average latitude, fewer whites in the US and a different language. This is China's time|
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