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🏆 European Team Championship (2015)

  PARTICIPANTS (sorted by highest achieved rating; click on name to see player's games)
Magnus Carlsen, Levon Aronian, Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, Shakhriyar Mamedyarov, Alexander Grischuk, Anish Giri, Teimour Radjabov, Vassily Ivanchuk, Peter Svidler, Ian Nepomniachtchi, Pavel Eljanov, Peter Leko, Michael Adams, Dmitry Jakovenko, Evgeny Tomashevsky, Alexey Shirov, Richard Rapport, Sergei Movsesian, David Navara, Radoslaw Wojtaszek, Etienne Bacrot, Arkadij Naiditsch, Baadur Jobava, Viktor Bologan, Zoltan Almasi, Francisco Vallejo Pons, Anton Korobov, Alexander Areshchenko, Laurent Fressinet, Loek van Wely, Yuriy Kryvoruchko, Luke McShane, David Howell, Nigel Short, Alexander Beliavsky, Jan-Krzysztof Duda, Liviu Dieter Nisipeanu, Ivan Sokolov, Ferenc Berkes, Viktor Laznicka, Gabriel Sargissian, Romain Edouard, Igor Kovalenko, Jon Ludvig Hammer, Markus Ragger, Sergei Tiviakov, Eltaj Safarli, Rauf Mamedov, Ivan Saric, David Anton Guijarro, Hrant Melkumyan, Mateusz Bartel, Gawain Jones, Robert Markus, Csaba Balogh, Vladislav Tkachiev, Georg Meier, Daniel Fridman, Ivan Ivanisevic, Nils Grandelius, Alexander Ipatov, Grzegorz Gajewski, Mikhael Mchedlishvili, Luka Lenic, Constantin Lupulescu, Tomi Nyback, Ioannis Papaioannou, Ivan Salgado Lopez, Erwin L'Ami, Viorel Iordachescu, Zbynek Hracek, Mircea-Emilian Parligras, Robert Kempinski, Hristos Banikas, Rainer Buhmann, Milos Perunovic, Dragan Solak, Zdenko Kozul, Johann Hjartarson, Mustafa Yilmaz, Hrvoje Stevic, Dimitrios Mastrovasilis, Levan Pantsulaia, Emanuel Berg, Arturs Neiksans, Merab Gagunashvili, Yannick Pelletier, Dmitry Svetushkin, Tiger Hillarp Persson, Mladen Palac, Sabino Brunello, Mihail Marin, Karen H Grigoryan, Vlastimil Babula, Daniele Vocaturo, Ante Brkic, Jiri Stocek, Renier Vazquez Igarza, Nikola Sedlak, Sebastian Bogner, Vladislav Nevednichy, Emre Can, Sune Berg Hansen, Hannes Stefansson, Aryan Tari, Normunds Miezis, Helgi Olafsson, Baris Esen, Mads Andersen, Davit Shengelia, Dennis Wagner, Bogdan-Daniel Deac, Luka Paichadze, Jure Borisek, Hjorvar Steinn Gretarsson, Hedinn Steingrimsson, Danyyil Dvirnyy, Erik Blomqvist, Matej Sebenik, Jure Skoberne, Jose Carlos Ibarra Jerez, Fridrik Olafsson, Frode Olav Olsen Urkedal, Axel Rombaldoni, Ioannis Nikolaidis, Nikola Djukic, Michele Godena, Dragisa Blagojevic, Athanasios Mastrovasilis, Helgi Dam Ziska, Margeir Petursson, Jon Loftur Arnason, Lars Schandorff, Joseph G Gallagher, Aloyzas Kveinys, Henrik Danielsen, Toms Kantans, Gudmundur Kjartansson, Dragan Kosic, Mher Hovhanisian, Dejan Antic, Vladimir Hamitevici, Nico Georgiadis, Johan Salomon, Jonathan Westerberg, Richard Forster, Tapani Sammalvuo, Blazo Kalezic, Mika Karttunen, Luka Draskovic plus 28 more players

Chessgames.com Chess Event Description
European Team Championship (2015)
Official site: http://etcc2015.com
Live games: http://etcc2015.com/live-games/open...

 page 1 of 27; games 1-25 of 660  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. D Mastrovasilis vs P Makoli  ½-½1022015European Team ChampionshipB46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation
2. N Djukic vs J L Hammer  ½-½342015European Team ChampionshipC67 Ruy Lopez
3. R Buhmann vs N Georgiadis  ½-½482015European Team ChampionshipD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
4. G Meier vs Pelletier  ½-½562015European Team ChampionshipE00 Queen's Pawn Game
5. M Schachinger vs M Bartel  ½-½452015European Team ChampionshipE11 Bogo-Indian Defense
6. V Iordachescu vs Z Almasi  ½-½722015European Team ChampionshipE14 Queen's Indian
7. Bologan vs Leko 1-0742015European Team ChampionshipC67 Ruy Lopez
8. G Kjartansson vs H Melkumyan  0-1692015European Team ChampionshipD32 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch
9. Movsesian vs H Danielsen  1-0652015European Team ChampionshipC43 Petrov, Modern Attack
10. H Steingrimsson vs G Sargissian  0-1762015European Team ChampionshipC95 Ruy Lopez, Closed, Breyer
11. McShane vs S Brunello  1-0512015European Team ChampionshipC78 Ruy Lopez
12. D Vocaturo vs D Howell ½-½432015European Team ChampionshipC67 Ruy Lopez
13. E Berg vs Fressinet 0-1572015European Team ChampionshipC67 Ruy Lopez
14. E Safarli vs M Sebenik  1-0492015European Team ChampionshipB50 Sicilian
15. A Korobov vs B D Deac 1-0642015European Team ChampionshipD52 Queen's Gambit Declined
16. A Ermeni vs H Banikas  0-1502015European Team ChampionshipE63 King's Indian, Fianchetto, Panno Variation
17. Z Kozul vs H E Nielsen  1-0452015European Team ChampionshipE60 King's Indian Defense
18. A Tari vs D Blagojevic  ½-½452015European Team ChampionshipD52 Queen's Gambit Declined
19. Navara vs S B Hansen 0-1472015European Team ChampionshipD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
20. V Babula vs Mads Andersen  ½-½482015European Team ChampionshipE97 King's Indian
21. S Bogner vs D Fridman  0-1622015European Team ChampionshipD31 Queen's Gambit Declined
22. G Jones vs M Godena 1-0382015European Team ChampionshipA29 English, Four Knights, Kingside Fianchetto
23. B Sadiku vs A Mastrovasilis  1-0742015European Team ChampionshipA45 Queen's Pawn Game
24. I Papaioannou vs Nderim Saraci  1-0632015European Team ChampionshipE06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3
25. L Paichadze vs A Muir  1-0522015European Team ChampionshipB20 Sicilian
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Dec-01-15  Everett: <AI2009>

This is the true Fischer, not your made-up Fischer.

<"The 7th Interzonal took place in Sousse (Tunisia) from October 15 to November 16, 1967. Four of the six forerunners had been organized by Sweden. For the first time a FIDE-Tournament took place in Africa, a remarkable propagandistic success for the FIDE. Out of the 66 member nations only two are from Africa, Tunisia and South Africa. They are integrated into the West European Zone. It is not the fault of the organizers, who have really given their best, that Sousse received great publicity, not only because of the chess deeds, but above all because of the "Fischer case". Robert Fischer, US Champion and one of the best players of our times, but unfortunately bare of sporting spirit and diplomatic ability, opposed himself wholly unjustified to the tournament regulations, which had been bent especially for Fischer and Reshevsky to meet their religious feelings. It seems obvious that such far-reaching concessions - Friday no play, Saturday begin only after 7 p.m., no play on four special Jewish holidays - anticipates also adaptations by the players. Reshevsky honoured the concessions made, Fischer did not. Not even when the secretary of the US Embassy in Tunis reminded him to think himself a representative of the Unites States. He answered: I am here as a representative of Robert Fischer! After Fischer did not appear three times for play, he had to be eliminated. As sad and regrettable the elimination of Fischer is - maybe he would have become the first non-Russian World Champion since 1948 - it is obvious, that no player, not even the World Champion himself, can put himself above the regulations of the FIDE. Fischer barred himself from becoming World Champion for five years, the title fight after the present cycle will take place in 1972." (p. 5)>

Nice job ignoring the rest of my post as well. How could you not? Like Fischer, his fanboys like to cherry pick their reality.

Dec-01-15
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  keypusher: <Al2009>

<However, I don't like at all Karpov's way to analyze and comment his own games. It seems as if his challenger - according to his comments - is always playing the best moves, and then ...WOW! the "marvellous" move by Anatoly comes as a thunderbolt and the game is over.>

I can't speak to Karpov as an annotator generally, but I have the Soviet tournament boook for Montreal 1979. He definitely doesn't annotate that way there.

There's no doubt that, as Sally pointed out, Karpov put his name on a lot of books that he didn't write. So that may be where your impression comes from.

Dec-01-15  Absentee: <Everett: So Fischer picked his spots, likely better than anyone, took rest days while others didn't, and it blew up in his face at Sousse.>

You're going way, way off track in rationalizing your dislike of Fischer.

Dec-01-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: As for Karpov.... Read two by him - a book of chosen games (1979, games are from 1966-1977), written solely by him, and "Everything about chess" in co-authorship with Gik. In the Gik book, there is a chapter on history of world championships. And here comes author's lack of self-criticism: for each championship, he gives a game (a or a crucial moment of a game) won by the eventual champion. With five exceptions: for all Karpov-Kasparov matches he shows draws!
Dec-01-15  nok: <age-wise, Karpov is to Fischer what Wei Yi is to Carlsen> And the difference between Karpov and Kasparov is bigger still, which certainly played a role down the road, as in Seville's 24th game.
Dec-01-15  Everett: <Absentee: <Everett: So Fischer picked his spots, likely better than anyone, took rest days while others didn't, and it blew up in his face at Sousse.>

You're going way, way off track in rationalizing your dislike of Fischer.>

Fischer's fine, if warped and unhealthy psychologically. It should not be perpetuated by fanboys ad infinitum. You seem not to get this.

Pointing out Fischer's drawbacks and inconsistencies is a necessary task one must take up to set the record straight when people make up lies and change the truth of matters.

Dec-01-15  Absentee: <Everett: <Absentee: <Everett: So Fischer picked his spots, likely better than anyone, took rest days while others didn't, and it blew up in his face at Sousse.>

You're going way, way off track in rationalizing your dislike of Fischer.>

Fischer's fine, if warped and unhealthy psychologically. It should not be perpetuated by fanboys ad infinitum. You seem not to get this.

Pointing out Fischer's drawbacks and inconsistencies is a necessary task one must take up to set the record straight when people make up lies and change the truth of matters.>

Oh I do get it, it's just that you always seem to take it out on Fischer rather than Joshka. Besides, if someone has a religious emotional attachment to some historical figure, be it Fischer, Jesus or Mussolini, no amount of discussion is going to change that.

And at times you ARE way off the mark. Take Sousse: Fischer had an exceptional start, had already beaten two strong opponents like Stein and Reshevsky and, by all indications, was going win the event or at the very least qualify. If he had been intent on picking his spots, he'd have realized that it was much wiser to bite the bullet and keep playing rather than antagonize organizers and FIDE officials and waste an opportunity when success was already half in the bag. It didn't blow up on his face, Fischer blew himself up, and not just that once. He was better at sabotaging his own career than any soviet conspiracy could ever be.

Dec-01-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  diceman: <Everett:
Fischer picked his spots, likely better than anyone>

Fischer's "spot picking" rating: 3754!!!

Dec-01-15  Everett: <diceman> I absolutely agree. Fischer definitely incorporated aspects of the Art of War in his chess dealings. Accidentally or not.
Dec-01-15  Everett: <absentee> for the most part I don't bother with lifer fanboys who remain on the Fischer page. When it spills over to these pages I clearly take umbrage.

And you don't get it at all. I'm highlighting his inconsistency and lack of resiliency. So when he discuss his results at Sousse as incredible, when he didn't even finish, just proves my point that you don't get it. Of course Fischer was a brilliant player. What fanboys ignore is that he was fragile, so fragile that he needed more breaks, more concessions, made more demands to accommodate his sensitive nature.

So no, Sousse is not a victory at all for Fischer. Taking years off is not a victory for Fischer. Quitting after 1972 is also not a victory. These all reflect negatively on his greatness.

Dec-01-15  Everett: <absentee> yes, I agree Fischer sabotaged himself, many many times.
Dec-01-15  Absentee: <Everett> Did you even read my reply? I'm not arguing that Sousse was a success, that Fischer was stable or resilient (quite the contrary), or any of that. I said that Sousse is the worst example you could cite for Fischer picking his spots. If anything it attests the opposite.
Dec-01-15  Everett: <absentee> you missed what I started with. Here it is again.

<He finished pretty low at Souss '67, <one of the rare moments during Fischer's later career that he didn't pick his spots wisely.> Fischer looks remarkably consistent, but that is likely because he took time off, even entire cycles, if he wasn't up for the grind. This ability to rest was not an option for most of his competitors...>

So there you have it

Dec-02-15  Al2009: <Sally Simpson>

Hi Sally,

tanks for your remarks, about Carlsen's contribution to chess. Yes, of course I agree with you that Carlsen is still very young, and he has many years ahead as a player, before a "final" evaluation of him could be released. However, don't forget that Carlsen is playing important tournaments since 2003, and any year he is playing a lot of games, that was not the rule of the great champions in the past.

Hence, it is not surprising that in present chess, a 25 year old player could be "squeezed", whereas 30,40,50 years ago a 25 year old GM was just a "beginner" for top chess, or something more.

Capablanca, Botvinnik, Petrosian, Smyslov, Fischer and Kasparov too did not play so much, as Carlsen and his "mates" today.

Maybe Alekhine, Tal and Karpov (among old world champions) were playing more than other world champions, but not so much as top players today.

Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if this recent "crisis" by Carlsen could be the signal that he is now "overfull" of chess.

And yet, apart from this, the main reasons why I'm saying that Carlsen's contribution to chess is modest, although his results and ratings have been oustanding, is that Carlsen did not leave any "mark" in chess history neither for his "style", nor for his personality.

His style seems the "style" of a computer.
I remember many Carlsen's games in which he playes slow and boring moves, like a "Petrosian", before starting his attacks.

That's exactly the "style" of a computer.

On the contrary, we can find many and many games by Kasparov, Fischer, Tal, etc. where the attacks were clear and "exciting".

With ref. to the "personality" of Carlsen, I repeat, he is one of the most "colorless" players I remember. He says nothing, he is like Caruana and other young players.

I'm Italian, and when Caruana was playing (for 8-9 years) under the Italian flag, nobody knew anything about him.

He was "Italian" just for his name, but he did not live in Italy, he was living sometimes in Hungary, then in Switzerland, and then in Spain, some were joking and saying that he seemed more a fugitive than a chess player.

He went in Italy just to play the Italian championship, but then nobody knew about him.

So, how can you hope that this kind of "young players" could make an actual contribution to chess?

I repeat, they seem computers, so why should a chess player get excited about Carlsen or Caruana, when there are computers like Houdini, or Fritz who are playing better than them?

Dec-02-15  Al2009: <Everett>

First of all, I'm not an "extremist" fan of Bobby Fischer, we all know how many stupid and crazy things he said and did in his life, no problem to admit that.

However, it seems to me that you chose the wrong example, about Fischer's result and behavior at Sousse 1967.

That interzonal was admittedly probably the WORST, as the organization.

Please, note that at Sousse neither the organizers nor the referees were speaking English, just French, or Deutsch and Russian!

Fischer had a lot of troubles, also because he found many problems in explaining his complaints.

Moreover, at Sousse in 1967 the restaurants were closing very early, so the players had troubles in having dinners after 9 p.m. (when the games finished).

Furthermore, in 1967 the US Federation could not afford to pay an assistant for Fischer, so he went at Sousse alone.

On the contrary, in 1970 izt at Palma the US Federation was able - at last! - to appoint Col. Edmonson as Fischer's assistant, to solve all administrative and practical problems he could have, and Fischer could quietly spend his time just thinking about chess.

So, please, don't mention Sousse 1967, it was a SHAMEFUL interzonal, and a very poor organization!

Dec-02-15  Rolfo: <So, how can you hope that this kind of "young players" could make an actual contribution to chess?>

They already have, though you wear the wrong glasses and won't see it because chess is elvolving and changing

Dec-02-15  Al2009: <rolfo>

<chess is elvolving and changing>

Of course! But chess is also in a downward slide everywhere in the world.

In the '70 and '80 Fischer and Kasparov were well-known everywhere, also by non chess players.

Now chess is played less and less, and nobody knows who is the world chess champion.

Media (tv and magazines) are paying no attention to chess.

If you search among the "average" chess players still playing chess tournaments, you find a lot older players, above 40-50, and less and less young players below 20.

Read the statistics, if you believe I'm wrong.

Dec-02-15  Troller: <In the '70 and '80 Fischer and Kasparov were well-known everywhere, also by non chess players.

Now chess is played less and less, and nobody knows who is the world chess champion.>

I think the main reason here is that back then chess was an affordable hobby. Nowadays people can browse the internet or play computer games instead. You can even have your social needs satisfied in your cosy home by visiting internet forums (sic!) or communicate through skype, facebook etc.. Not only chess is facing a decline, same development is seen for many local sports clubs.

It is true that the computer-style is making its way into top level chess, but the players are doing so in order to stay competitive. Mikhail Tal's risky style would not make a world champion today I am afraid (although he would probably play differently today as well).

Anyway, people's personal preference among top players and their personal top-5-10-20 lists are basically only of interest to themselves.

Dec-02-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: Fischer was known just because of the entire Cold War stuff. I mean, who of non-chess players outside of the Soviet Union knew any chess player before Fischer. Karpov+Kasparov got known on the fade-out of the "Fischer boom". Kasparov once more when he lost to Deep Blue.

It's not the players that "changed the game's reputation". It's the politics that did. And I better live in peace with no known chess players than in a world of the constant fear of a nuclear disaster, in which chess players are known :D

Dec-02-15  Sally Simpson: Hi Al2009,

I agree that chess, the OTB game, is in danger. I go to a few local tournaments and league matches and see my old opponents still playing and very few new faces.

Regarding Carlsen.

As you said:

"...we can find many and many games by Kasparov, Fischer, Tal, etc. where the attacks were clear and "exciting".

Of course I too hanker for the exciting games, the trouble is Carlsen has outgrown us.

When he was 12-13 he was producing games like this...

Carlsen vs H A Gretarsson, 2003

...and we drooled.

Now he plays much stronger players and had to adapt. The fireworks are still there but these top players tend to keep them off the board.

From what little I can understand about some of his games (the infamous grinds) he is IMO quite unlike a computer.

When he has a multiple choice of moves (and on form) he will not play what he considers the best move but the move that threatens to puts him and his opponent on thin ice where exact calculation is needed.

If his opponent does not wish to get involved then Carlsen re-groups and tries again.

Add in his youth and OTB stamina, remember no adjournments as there were in the days of Kasparov, Fischer, Tal and there you have the modern game at the GM level.

You will get exceptions from the likes of Topalov, Anand, Nakumra and of course Carlsen but it rare that these four get to display their undoubted tactical talents at the top level.

It's not their fault their games tend to go over our heads. (so we find it boring.)

We are like a couple of old film buffs yearning for the golden age of the b/w cinema. Thankfully we have books containing the magnificent games of Kasparov, Fischer, Tal, Morphy, Alekhine, Tartakower... Anytime we want we can grab a book off our bookshelf and watch a b/w classic.

Dec-02-15  Absentee: <Everett>
I haven't been clear: Sousse had nothing to do with Fischer either picking or not picking his spots. You claimed that he'd only play when he was sure of being "up to the grind", basically that he avoided dangerous opponents (do the 1959 Candidates count?). If these are the criteria, Sousse clearly wasn't a bad pick: Fischer was doing great - the problem is that he flipped out, as he did more often than not, not that he didn't pick the spot carefully enough and was facing outmatching competition.

Best of luck with your holy war.

Dec-03-15  Al2009: <Sally Simpson>

<We are like a couple of old film buffs yearning for the golden age of the b/w cinema. Thankfully we have books containing the magnificent games of Kasparov, Fischer, Tal, Morphy, Alekhine, Tartakower... Anytime we want we can grab a book off our bookshelf and watch a b/w classic.>

Very nice comparison!:-)))

However, maybe our situation - as chess players/fans - is a bit different than that of Gloria Swanson/Norma Desmond :-)))))...

First of all, it is simplistic and misleading to speak about great players such as Tal, as simply "tactical and hazardous" players. There are DOZENS of games played by Tal, in which he did not sacrifice a single pawn, and he simply wins in a "strategic" way, or he draws in less than 30 moves. Many people don't know, for instance that Tal - among his records - keeps the one of most unbeaten player, with a streak of 84 games with no losses, between 1972-9173

Surprised?

Many people would think that this record was hold by players such as Karpov, or Petrosian, or similar, but it is not true, Tal was also a great defender!

Moreover, i disagree a little about your comparison between Kasparov and Carlsen.

Don't forget that Kasparov played until 2007-2008, so we cannot treat him as a player of "another generation".

However, his games were much more "exciting" and clear than those by Carlsen.

I don't remember a single game by Kasparov, for instance, in which he was playing - as Carlsen did! - 7-8 consecutive moves of his Knight, or Bishop, or Queen, in the rear behind his pawns, and just to "wait for the error" of his opponent.

That was much more reminiscent of Petrosian's style!

So, it is not totally true that Carlsen's style is now more "cautious" because today tactics is less important, or more "dangerous".

You may still find today great games such as this

Ivanchuk vs Karjakin, 2008

a wonderful Queen sac, in a pure Tal style!

No, I do think that maybe the problem is that now young players are playing TOO MUCH.

You cannot spend all your energies in 145 games (!), the total number of games played by Carlsen in 2014, for instance.

Capablanca and Fischer, for instance played only 700-750 tournament games in their WHOLE careers!

And the same was for players such as Botvinnik, but now it is normal to see top players playing more than 100-150 games/year!

In my opinion this is very BAD, the quality of many games is lowering.

So, what many chess fans, organizers, managers of federations, players, etc. don't understand is that now chess is in danger mainly because they too much were and are focusing on just top players (whose human performances now are being put in shadow by computers!), while forgetting to offer any GRATIFICATIONS for the "average" chess players.

Why should a player today play chess (rather than bridge, poker, etc.) when prizes are lowering, nobody knows even the world chess champion, and any patzer can take your game, put it in a computer, and find just your ERRORS?

We have to admit that this is the situation, and stop dreaming!

Dec-03-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: Once again you messed up your numbers. Kasparov retired in early 2005. Tal's streak was 90+ (95, IIRC) games.
Dec-03-15  Sally Simpson: Hi Al2009,

I don't think I classed Carlsen as cautious. His shuffling about has a purpose and he does take risks based on the supreme confidence he has in his ability to thread his way through even the most complex positions. He is a unique chess player but I agree maybe too many are being played and even he is getting chess'd out.

Yes the top players do get all the high class treatment but short of FIDE actually allocating funds to local league events etc it's difficult to see what else they can do.

They don't help much by charging fees for grading the local leagues and tournaments which put up entrance fees thus lowering the number of players who enter.

They do however run the Olympiad which to me will be the greatest chess tournament and sporting event of the new year.

Dec-03-15  Everett: <absentee> That's right, you're not being clear.

, if Fischer did "pick wrong," how would that manifest? I say "just like Souse '67" You say he flipped out and sabotaged himself, and did so often. We both agree he was always fragile. I say it happened less frequently later career, of which Sousse is an exception. The "grind" is not just about opponents; its the entire tournament, the rest days, the recovery. He miscalculated clearly.

And we both know what could have been after two games in '72. Without the media craze and direct government intervention supporting him, who knows what happens.

And '59 Candidstes is not <later career>.. i don't know why you bring it up.

Bigger picture, at root, we argue about two things: ratings and Fischer. This particular row is small really, a quibble. I don't even think we disagree much. But, hey, that's just my opinion. In any case, be well, I'm out.

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