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|Dec-19-15|| ||Absentee: <BOSTER: < Sokrates: I- and only I - am responsible for my moves on the board>. If it is so clear like Mona Lisa Smile, why do we need the arbiters in tour?>|
To make sure you haven't roided up to make your pineal gland secrete an abnormal quantity of luck-enzyme.
|Dec-19-15|| ||alexmagnus: < Jim Bartle: There may be no luck in chess but there is Michal Luch.>|
And David Lucky
Also David Glueck (again David?) as well as Michael Glueck (although Glück can mean both luck and happiness... But is there happiness in chess?!)
|Dec-19-15|| ||chancho: No luck, oh really?
|Dec-19-15|| ||BOSTER: The arbitres ( 4 arbitres watching the game) should see how Naka had < castled > with
<two hands > in round 3, World Cup in Baku.
In this case he'd be eliminated, not
|Dec-19-15|| ||Gypsy: |
<<... in the most fair game of all: a game of chess.>
Why is chess fairer than all other games or sports?>
<Jim Bartle: No dice. No luck of the draw. No lucky bounces.>
<tamar: No parquet floor>
There are other games that share those characteristics, Jim, but that is my lesser point.
My main point is this: A die or a ball are deterministic objects and they fully obey the laws of physics. Why should I view a mastery of these objects as being a matter of luck any more or less than mastery of the chess board?
You view a die or coin as a fair source of randomness. But in my grad school years, I TA'd for a guy who could toss a fair coin heads several times in a row. (He could also do perfect shuffles while lecturing on the applications of group theory to statistics; and many other parlor tricks.) He smiled an "ow shucks" smile when we oohed and aahed and he floored us with his explanation: "I practiced last night."
Or consider a soccer ball. You can pretty well figure its trajectory from its Reynold's number and initial conditions. The physics of its flight is that of Magnus effect (no, different Magnus). The amount of computation in fluid-dynamics number crunching is huge, but so is the amount of computation involved in evaluating a complex chess position.
All in all, there seems to be two aspects of skill -- (1) computing or estimating effects of our action, (2) executing our action sufficiently accurately.
My view is that if (1) does not allow completely perfect evaluation or if (2) does not permit perfect accuracy of action, we are in the realm where skill and luck combine.
|Dec-19-15|| ||Shams: <BOSTER> <The arbitres ( 4 arbitres watching the game) should see how Naka had < castled > with <two hands > in round 3, World Cup in Baku. In this case he'd be eliminated, not
Not true; the penalty would have been a warning and not a forfeit.
|Dec-19-15|| ||Chessinfinite: Nice commentary by the GMs-next time maybe they should invite Daniel Gormally for his passive/ aggressive commentary!|
|Dec-20-15|| ||MissScarlett: Post-mortem with Aronian would be fun.|
|Dec-20-15|| ||Clemens Scheitz: <Gypsy>, no ifs or buts, my view is that all human undertakings are in the realm where skill and luck combine.|
|Dec-20-15|| ||Clemens Scheitz: ...and skill requires luck, but luck works in mysterious ways...|
|Dec-20-15|| ||BOSTER: <Shams: not a forfeit>.|
It was a blitz game.
In blitz chess rules are different.
According to the WBCA rules, a player who makes illegal move loses the game immediately.
This is the game So vs Akobian, US Champ.2015.
click for larger view
It 's difficult to believe that black in this pos. can win in one move.
"But Akobian played a winning move-he approached the arbiter and pointed out that So had been writing messages on a sheet of paper.
Since So had already been warned twice for writing notes arbiter forfeited So."
|Dec-20-15|| ||Shams: <BOSTER> Nakamura didn't make an illegal move, he made a legal move but he executed it wrongly. From what I've read that gets a warning.|
|Dec-20-15|| ||BOSTER: < Shams>.Thanks.|
|Dec-20-15|| ||Shams: <BOSTER> I found this but it's confusing:
|Dec-20-15|| ||diceman: < Sokrates: I- and only I - am responsible for my moves on the board>|
True, but what about your opponent?
(not in white/black order):
In Grischuk/Giri, Gris missed his chances.
In Grischuk/Aronian, Gris spotted his chances.
In Grischuk/Carlsen, Gris missed his chances.
<I- and only I - am responsible for my moves on the board>
...assumes you will be punished for a mistake.
That's not necessarily the case, and where "luck" comes into play.
|Dec-20-15|| ||Absentee: <diceman: <I- and only I - am responsible for my moves on the board> ...assumes you will be punished for a mistake.
That's not necessarily the case, and where "luck" comes into play.>|
It's your opponent's skill that comes into play in that case.
|Dec-20-15|| ||Absentee: <Shams: <BOSTER> I found this but it's confusing: http://www.angelfire.com/games5/che...|
I remember the discussion right after the game was played: it was confirmed that Nakamura would have been warned, not forfeited. I assume they were using FIDE's official rules, since it was the World Cup.
|Dec-20-15|| ||BOSTER: According to Chess Life < it was noted by the appeal commitee that Naka had moved his rook first, also illegal under FIDE laws>.|
|Dec-20-15|| ||Absentee: <BOSTER: According to Chess Life < it was noted by the appeal commitee that Naka had moved his rook first, also illegal under FIDE laws>.>|
The question isn't whether it was legal or not, it is what penalty it would have entailed.
|Dec-20-15|| ||schweigzwang: Sounds like the discussion of the London Chess Classic has run its course. It was SO dull! let's talk about Nakamura.|
|Dec-20-15|| ||epistle: He is always dull outside of chess|
|Dec-20-15|| ||eternaloptimist: Carlsen was really clutch & showed great nerves
at the end of this tournament. He won 2 out of his last 3 classical games to get to the rapid tiebreak & win the tournament!
|Dec-21-15|| ||Gypsy: <Clemens Scheitz: <Gypsy>, no ifs or buts, my view is that all human undertakings are in the realm where skill and luck combine.>|
<Clemens Scheitz: ...and skill requires luck, but luck works in mysterious ways...>
Amen to all of that.
|Dec-26-15|| ||rayoflight: Could you please put link of PGN for tie-break games?
I cannot find them!!!|
|Dec-26-15|| ||zanzibar: <rayoflight> Google quickly comes up with:|
http://www.londonchessclassic.com/p... (direct pgn download)
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