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🏆 Women's World Championship (2017)

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Player: Atousa Pourkashiyan

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. A Pourkashiyan vs E Paehtz  ½-½232017Women's World ChampionshipC78 Ruy Lopez
2. E Paehtz vs A Pourkashiyan  1-0462017Women's World ChampionshipC42 Petrov Defense
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Mar-30-17
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  WannaBe: <tamar> Well, as far as "other cultures conform to theirs." can be interpreted in different ways...

Example: Common saying "When in Rome, do as Romans do."

When I visited Japan, I followed their culture and custom, e.g. removing shoes at the door before entering living room, etc...

Why the fuss? Because it's gender specific, like men have to have head covering when entering a Jewish place of worship (see my above post.)

Now, this thing, can be said to be religion based, or modesty based, (In the old days, where European or American women wear head scarf, is to prevent hair from being wind blown and messed up, mostly).

To all others:

Again, I don't understand why members of CG.com continue to BANG THEIR HEAD on this issue???????

Tournament is over, protestors said their say, female players who accepted the invitation and the stipulation(s) had their say. What is the point of the/this discussion?

When it's no longer (really) chess related/relevant.

Mar-30-17  beatgiant: <WannaBe>
The point is, should the chess world criticize FIDE and take measures to avoid such kind of controversy in future world title events?

But if not interested, skip this page. I don't think there will be much further discussion here about the actual chess.

Mar-30-17
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  WannaBe: <beatgiant> Then my (final) comment & reply...

Should Olympics committee award future sites to China, or Russia that have no democracy and/or human rights abuse, when they are the only country or city to submit a bid?

My comment/opinion, if there is a (bidding) process and only Iran submitted a bid, or in the case of Olympics, Western countries pulled out because of cost, and only China or Russia bids, what you gonna do?

Winter Olympics in China... With man-made snow. Definitely looking forward to that one.

Mar-31-17
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  tamar: <Wannabe> No one knew that Iran would be awarded the Women's Championship when they won the right to compete for it.

When you visit a synagogue as a Gentile, you lose nothing other than the right to visit that synagogue if you don't wear a head covering. (I don't know if it is mandatory, but assume so for this argument's sake)

Suppose they went further and said you can't play chess in our country if you don't wear that covering. Would it be as easy to laugh and say sure?

Mar-31-17  beatgiant: <tamar>
So, do you agree that players should be allowed to play in chess tournaments barefoot? There must be lots of tournament sites in the US that won't allow that.
Mar-31-17
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  Lambda: In general, I think all countries should allow everyone to dress as they please, all the way from "burqa with eye slits" to "naked", because your clothing choices don't interfere with the freedoms of others in any way. If you were born in a country, any sort of illegal garb is good civil disobedience. (Unless the motivation is something bad, like to harass people.)

But if you choose to visit or move to a country, there's a far greater onus on you to respect their laws because you've promised to abide by them in return for admittance. So for most chess tournaments, having to wear the local dress code isn't much of an issue.

But a world championship is different, because people can be judged not world champion for failing to attend, so there's a degree of compulsion. This means the world championship should ideally happen somewhere with no dress laws. But if a country has dress restrictions which almost nobody strongly objects to following, then it's not worth making an issue over.

But many people strongly object to wearing headscarves under compulsion.

Mar-31-17  nok: Except it is no world championship but a woman only event, which is far harsher discrimination.
Mar-31-17
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  tamar: <beatgiant> there have been restrictions based on modesty and health, but the hijab is associated with Islamic state religion, and is only required of women.

Many went and had no problem. It is also a reasonable choice to boycott such impositions of religion.

Mar-31-17  beatgiant: <tamar>
<It is also a reasonable choice to boycott>

Agreed, but the real question is, should FIDE have rejected the bid on these grounds, given no other bid for the event?

To me, the key question is whether indeed it is a religious thing. Based on the fact that it predates Islam and has been widespread in non-Islamic societies in living memory, I'm inclined to say not.

Mar-31-17  beatgiant: To be even more specific: I think the core principle is, <every player should be allowed to participate regardless of politics or religion>.

For example, if someone was not able to participate because their own religion had a conflicting dress code, then the tournament sponsors would have had to come up with an accommodation.

Mar-31-17
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  tamar: beatgiant-it is easier decided when it is not an actual decision you or I will never have to make

I would be inclined to say nuts if some govt told me I could play only with a bucket on my head because it is their tradition.

Mar-31-17
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  tamar: ever have to make
Mar-31-17  beatgiant: <tamar>
I've traveled abroad a lot and had to go out of my comfort zone many times, same as foreign visitors do when visiting my country.

<I could play only with a bucket on my head>

I think some Westerners have a real blind spot about the shoe thing. In a traditional match at go/weiqi/baduk in China, Japan and Korea, it's a good bet that bare feet were mandatory and anything else would be considered highly offensive.

The sanitary argument for indoor shoe is pretty weak, according to the source I cited above. I think the reality is that a culture that wears shoes indoors has conquered the world, so we all think it's normal without much real thought.

In short: "They're making us wear Christian foot coverings to play in a chess tournament!"

Mar-31-17
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  john barleycorn: <Premium Chessgames Member beatgiant: <tamar> ...

The sanitary argument for indoor shoe is pretty weak, ...>

It is about having unwanted room refreshing.

Mar-31-17  beatgiant: <john barleycorn> <It is about having unwanted room refreshing.> That's myth #6 on the barefooters.org top ten list.
Mar-31-17
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  john barleycorn: < beatgiant: ... That's myth #6 on the barefooters.org top ten list.>

Only #6? I mean it is the smell for sure but also the burning eyes.

Mar-31-17  beatgiant: <john barleycorn> New FIDE regulation for mandatory dark glasses?
Mar-31-17
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  john barleycorn: <beatgiant: <john barleycorn> New FIDE regulation for mandatory dark glasses?>

haha. dark glasses only when wearing black socks.

Mar-31-17  nok: <I think the reality is that a culture that wears shoes indoors has conquered the world> What about neckties? Now that's ideological clothing.
May-01-17
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  Bobby Fiske: FIDE: <The total prize fund of the Championship is US $450,000. Every player gets 3750$, those who make it to round two get 5500$, for round three it is 8000$, round four 12,000$, round five (semifinals) 20,000$, the silver medalist 30,000$, and the winner 60,000$.>

Reportedly the players didnít get any money at all. FIDE hadn't secured the prize fund in advance, as they usually do (bank guaranty or advance payment), so after the tournament, Iran, the organizer, says something about they couldnít pay because "money was blocked in some account bla bla".

Any news here?

FIDE is now really close to bankruptcy. I think this money scandal, and the fact that the upcoming FIDE Grand Prix in Moscow might get cancelled, fuelled the mutiny within FIDE organization, and the ultimate reason why Kirsan got kicked out of office recently.

May-01-17  JimNorCal: Kirsan is (finally) kicked out of office?
May-01-17
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  Bobby Fiske: Well, it's really a farse now:

LINK1 (March): https://www.chess.com/news/view/bre...

LINK2 (April): http://tass.com/sport/940443

May-01-17
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  chancho: A threat! :-)

https://www.chess.com/news/view/ily...

Nov-19-17
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  Tabanus: Jeez. I'll try to update the bio later. It does not even say who won. Fun while it lasted, I suppose, and more fun next year.

For the onlookers.

Nov-19-17
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  Tabanus: Ok, ready to rumble ;)

After seeing this I can't understand why not the winner of a Tan Zhongyi - Ju Wenjun match could be the challenger for Yifan for the WWC.

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