| page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 28
|1. Yifan Hou vs Caruana
||1-0||40||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||C67 Ruy Lopez|
|2. M Vachier-Lagrave vs Naiditsch
||0-1||43||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||C11 French|
|3. Aronian vs G Meier
||½-½||41||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||A06 Reti Opening|
|4. M Bluebaum vs Carlsen
||½-½||59||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||E90 King's Indian|
|5. G Meier vs Yifan Hou
||0-1||34||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||E01 Catalan, Closed|
|6. M Vachier-Lagrave vs M Bluebaum
||1-0||74||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||A06 Reti Opening|
|7. Naiditsch vs Caruana
||0-1||40||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||C28 Vienna Game|
|8. Carlsen vs Aronian
||½-½||70||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||C84 Ruy Lopez, Closed|
|9. Yifan Hou vs Carlsen
||½-½||38||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||B90 Sicilian, Najdorf|
|10. Aronian vs M Vachier-Lagrave
||1-0||42||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||A04 Reti Opening|
|11. Caruana vs G Meier
||1-0||35||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||C10 French|
|12. M Bluebaum vs Naiditsch
||0-1||44||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||E04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3|
|13. Naiditsch vs G Meier
|| ||½-½||68||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||D02 Queen's Pawn Game|
|14. M Bluebaum vs Aronian
||0-1||46||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||D10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav|
|15. Carlsen vs Caruana
||½-½||40||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||C01 French, Exchange|
|16. M Vachier-Lagrave vs Yifan Hou
||1-0||68||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||C65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense|
|17. Aronian vs Naiditsch
||1-0||58||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||A13 English|
|18. G Meier vs Carlsen
||0-1||41||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||D90 Grunfeld|
|19. Yifan Hou vs M Bluebaum
||½-½||48||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||D38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation|
|20. Caruana vs M Vachier-Lagrave
||½-½||43||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||B96 Sicilian, Najdorf|
|21. M Bluebaum vs Caruana
||½-½||79||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||D27 Queen's Gambit Accepted, Classical|
|22. Naiditsch vs Carlsen
|| ||½-½||42||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||A45 Queen's Pawn Game|
|23. M Vachier-Lagrave vs G Meier
|| ||½-½||40||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||C10 French|
|24. Aronian vs Yifan Hou
||1-0||42||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||D37 Queen's Gambit Declined|
|25. Carlsen vs M Vachier-Lagrave
||½-½||59||2017||GRENKE Chess Classic||B92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation|
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|Apr-22-17|| ||Transformer: <AylerKupp>: Excellent analysis, but you meant Aronian played 42...Qa5 not ...Qa4.|
|Apr-22-17|| ||AylerKupp: <Transformer> Yes, I meant 42...Qa5 and not 42...Qa4. Just as English is not my first language, algebraic notation is not the first notation I learned. That "privilege" goes to English descriptive notation. And, as you may or may not know, in English descriptive notation the squares are numbered from the perspective of the player who made the move. So 42...Qa5 would have been written as 42...Q-R4 since a5 is the fourth square from Black's perspective.|
So, just like sometimes I lapse into Spanish, particularly when I get excited, sometimes I lapse into English descriptive notation. And, of course, it doesn't help if, like me, you also happen to be fat-fingered.
|Apr-22-17|| ||Gregor Samsa Mendel: <AylerKupp>--It sounds like Spanish is your first language. If so, didn't you learn Spanish descriptive notation before English descriptive notation? I'm asking because it sounds like your situation growing up and mine might have been similar. I grew up in the US in a bilingual English/Spanish household, where my father and I followed games in the newspapers in English DN but I also read my father's old chess books in Spanish DN. I learned descriptive notation in English and Spanish simultaneously.|
|Apr-22-17|| ||AylerKupp: <saffuna> Thanks. I was thinking more about the evaluations around moves 30 to 33.>|
Now you tell me! :-) But I went back and looked at Stockfish's evaluations at the chess24.com site and between moves 30 and 33, although still at low ply and therefore unreliable, they were all above [-3.00] and thus considered winning, except for 33...Rf7 which was evaluated at "only" [-2.61[, still winning. In fact the evaluations all stayed in the [-3.00] to [-2.00] range until 42...Qa5 when they changed to [+0.39] or equal. Maybe the chessbomb evaluations were different.
In fact, Stockfish's evaluations for Black were all in the winning range (>[-1.50]) starting with 23.b3 so as you said, all of a sudden Aronian's advantage was gone. In fairness this was a deceptively complex position, as I pointed out earlier Black only had 2 possibilities on his 42nd move to preserve his advantage, all other moves lead to equal chances or worse. Still, the fact that a top-rank and experienced grandmaster could not find one of those 2 moves after 49 minutes of thought means that there might still be some chances for the rest of us.
|Apr-22-17|| ||saffuna: <In fairness this was a deceptively complex position, >|
By the way, I just saw "Aylerkupp's corollary." Brilliant!
|Apr-22-17|| ||zanzibar: Wish <CG> had a feature where I could just drop an xtab in - so that it updates the intro automatically:|
Grenke Chess Classic (2017)
Karlsruhe GER, 2017.04.15 - 2017.04.22
Average Rating: 2730 (Category 20)
Rtng Ti Age Nat Score 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Perf Chg
1: Aronian, Levon 2774 gm 35 ARM 5.5 / 7 X = = 1 1 1 = 1 2954 +15 (+4 -0 =3)
2: Caruana, Fabiano 2817 gm 25 ITA 4.0 / 7 = X = 0 = 1 1 = 2768 -5 (+2 -1 =4)
3: Carlsen, Magnus 2838 gm 27 NOR 4.0 / 7 = = X = = = 1 = 2765 -7 (+1 -0 =6)
4: Hou, Yifan 2649 gm 23 CHN 3.5 / 7 0 1 = X 0 = 1 = 2742 +9 (+2 -2 =3)
5: Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime 2803 gm 27 FRA 3.5 / 7 0 = = 1 X 0 = 1 2720 -8 (+2 -2 =3)
6: Naiditsch, Arkadij 2702 gm 32 GER 3.5 / 7 0 0 = = 1 X = 1 2734 +4 (+2 -2 =3)
7: Meier, Georg 2630 gm 30 GER 2.0 / 7 = 0 0 0 = = X = 2587 -4 (+0 -3 =4)
8: Bluebaum, Matthias 2632 im 20 GER 2.0 / 7 0 = = = 0 0 = X 2586 -4 (+0 -3 =4)
28 games: +7 =15 -6
A verbatim mode would be helpful too.
|Apr-22-17|| ||zanzibar: GRENKE Chess Classic |
15 - 22 April 2017
Sven Noppes – Tournament Director, firstname.lastname@example.org
Christian Bossert - Tournament
Director, Chairman of the Baden-Baden
Chess Centre, email@example.com
Articles/Photos - Georgios Souleidis
Video production - E & R Solutions
Social Media - Eric van Reem
|Apr-22-17|| ||zanzibar: What a wonderful tournament site the GRENKE organizers have provided!|
All the games available for download (even if the PGN is unnormalized), and all the important information nicely organized.
Truly a model site for all to emulate.
(If only they provided a live xtab as the tournament progressed, it would be perfect)
All the photos from the event are freely available for any website to use, as well, provided source attribution is included.
Wonderful, just wonderful.
|Apr-22-17|| ||zanzibar: BTW -
<chessgames> - please get the PGN properly normalized.
* * * * *
<Event = "Grenke Chess Classic (2017)">
<Site = "Karlsruhe/Baden-Baden GER">
<EventDate = "2017.04.17">
<GameSite = "Karlsruhe GER" (round <= 3)>
<GameSite = "Baden-Baden GER" (round >= 4)>
* * * * *
Lest you be confused - there's iconoclastic, and there's just simply (common-sense) right.
|Apr-23-17|| ||zanzibar: You can't get a fine wine (whine?), without a few sour grapes....|
A version of the tournament PGN, all properly normalized, can be found here:
It introduces the GameSite tag, which I hope will eventually become universally adopted.
|Apr-23-17|| ||Sokrates: Powerful tournament by Aronian even with the missed win in the last round. Which would have placed Caruana with Hou, MVL and Naiditsch. |
Btw, congrats to Hou is also called for - 50 % in a tournament of this calibre including a win vs. Caruana, must be one of her best results.
The world champion can't be happy with his play. One single win (vs. a bottom player) and 6 draws is a meager harvest - he is fortunate that it's sufficient for a seconds placement. But where is the young warrior who made the opponents shiver with fear when they had to face him? He has won and survived in many games due to his reputation - that psychological advantage may evaporate when the players detect that he has lost his former supremacy.
Caruana and MVL, who once were clear favourites for becoming the challengers to Carlsen's crown have also got something to think about. Of course, they still have their fair chances, and although Wesley So is the man of the hour right now, his candidacy will not be a given thing. Will Aronian have a come-back in that context? I doubt that very much, but like Kramnik he could become a decisive factor in the final showdown.
And Karjakin - everybody seems to think he has become out of the question. But we should revoke history in the 1950s when Smyslov after a tie with Botvinnik in the first match, qualified once again and defeated Botvinnik in the next.
If this tournament should be interpreted of anything it would be that it has not given a clear hierarchy among the potential candidates - on the contrary.
|Apr-23-17|| ||scholes: Did Carauna see 42 Qe1 during the game ?|
|Apr-23-17|| ||Imran Iskandar: <scholes> No, apparently they both missed it.|
|Apr-23-17|| ||activechess55: |
Did the teeth lose their sharpness? Were the nails missing from his claws? Had he grown too old to hunt? There were doubts abound.
But last week proved all these speculations wrong. The tiger from Armenia had all hunting tools intact and working! His appetite was as voracious as ever! He gorged on a bagful of preys for four days on end! This was a good news for his fans, who awaited similar performance from him for long.
Kasparov says,“Chess world is a better place when Aronian is in form.” His games reminds us of an artist with a canvass and the brush!
Carlsen, Caruana, Aronian, Yifan and MVL were vying for the top spot. All of them sported glasses. It is befitting, Aronian won the event. His glass-frames happen to be the trendiest!
|Apr-23-17|| ||scholes: In the last 10 years, Apart from Carlsen, Aronian super tournament record is way ahead of other players . Unfortunately he choked at all important tournaments. Was not even second at any candidates tournament.|
|Apr-23-17|| ||scholes: If two top 5 players of the world cannot find a move after thinking for 50 minutes then should it be called a blunder. Engines have become too strong.|
|Apr-23-17|| ||zanzibar: <<scholes> If two top 5 players of the world cannot find a move after thinking for 50 minutes then should it be called a blunder. Engines have become too strong.>|
This is indeed a very good point.
But I think two is too low a bar - after all, Anand and Carlsen both missed a fairly basic tactic, once upon a time.
But the gist of the point remains...
|Apr-23-17|| ||BOSTER: A lot was said about game Caruana vs Aronian, but nobody didn't show how to win after 36.h5.|
|Apr-23-17|| ||plang: <but nobody didn't show how to win after 36.h5.>|
I'm calling double negative
|Apr-23-17|| ||perfidious: <plang: <but nobody didn't show how to win after 36.h5.>|
I'm calling double negative>
Far as I tell, <N0B0DY> made no post on this....
Now there is <another> double negative!
Of a sort.
|Apr-23-17|| ||BOSTER: My mistake.
|Apr-23-17|| ||plang: l in fun - I remember learning in math class that as long as there are an odd number it is still a negative - always looking for the precious triple negative|
|Apr-23-17|| ||AylerKupp: <Gregor Samsa Mendel> No, I never learned Spanish descriptive notation. I came to this country when I was 11 years old (a loooong time ago) and I didn't get interested in chess until a few years later, so my first exposure to chess notation was English Descriptive.|
My Spanish is somewhat rusty since I seldom get a chance to practice it. But I still add, subtract, and multiply in Spanish, particularly the latter, because that's how I learned the multiplication tables.
|Apr-23-17|| ||AylerKupp: <saffuna> I'm glad that you liked AKC2ML. I don't think that it's brilliant, but I do think that it is remarkably accurate.|
|Apr-24-17|| ||Sokrates: Fortunately, the chess world abandoned the odd English notation form - was it in the early 70s? Because of that notation, I only acquiered German (and Scandinavian) books in my early chess-playing days. |
Perhaps a re-introduction of the system is on Theresa May's agenda, now that she will restore the British Empire to its former glory?
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