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TOURNAMENT STANDINGS
Gashimov Memorial Tournament

Shakhriyar Mamedyarov5.5/9(+3 -1 =5)[games]
Vladimir Kramnik5/9(+3 -2 =4)[games]
Wesley So5/9(+2 -1 =6)[games]
Veselin Aleksandrov Topalov5/9(+2 -1 =6)[games]
Sergey Karjakin4.5/9(+2 -2 =5)[games]
Radoslaw Wojtaszek4.5/9(+1 -1 =7)[games]
Michael Adams4.5/9(+1 -1 =7)[games]
Teimour Radjabov4/9(+0 -1 =8)[games]
Pavel Eljanov3.5/9(+2 -4 =3)[games]
Pentala Harikrishna3.5/9(+0 -2 =7)[games]
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Chessgames.com Chess Event Description
Gashimov Memorial (2017)

Played in Shamkir, Azerbaijan 21-30 April 2017. The tournament is named after Vugar Gashimov who passed away in 2014. Shakhriyar Mamedyarov won by a half point, beating out So, Kramnik, Karjakin, Adams, Harikrishna, Eljanov, Wojtaszek, Topalov, and Radjabov.

Official site: http://www.shamkirchess.az/index.php
Live games: http://www.shamkirchess.az/content/...
Crosstable: http://www.shamkirchess.az/content/5

Previous edition: Gashimov Memorial (2016)

 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. R Wojtaszek vs Kramnik  ½-½832017Gashimov MemorialD41 Queen's Gambit Declined, Semi-Tarrasch
2. Eljanov vs Radjabov 1-0462017Gashimov MemorialC65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense
3. W So vs Mamedyarov 0-1392017Gashimov MemorialC45 Scotch Game
4. Karjakin vs Harikrishna ½-½402017Gashimov MemorialD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
5. Topalov vs Adams ½-½422017Gashimov MemorialC84 Ruy Lopez, Closed
6. Harikrishna vs Eljanov 0-1542017Gashimov MemorialE47 Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3 O-O 5.Bd3
7. Kramnik vs Radjabov  ½-½732017Gashimov MemorialA48 King's Indian
8. R Wojtaszek vs Topalov 0-1342017Gashimov MemorialD12 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
9. Adams vs W So ½-½412017Gashimov MemorialA15 English
10. Mamedyarov vs Karjakin ½-½222017Gashimov MemorialC53 Giuoco Piano
11. Eljanov vs Mamedyarov 0-1662017Gashimov MemorialE67 King's Indian, Fianchetto
12. Karjakin vs Adams 0-1392017Gashimov MemorialD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
13. W So vs R Wojtaszek ½-½402017Gashimov MemorialD02 Queen's Pawn Game
14. Topalov vs Kramnik ½-½352017Gashimov MemorialD55 Queen's Gambit Declined
15. Radjabov vs Harikrishna ½-½282017Gashimov MemorialD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
16. R Wojtaszek vs Karjakin  ½-½252017Gashimov MemorialD40 Queen's Gambit Declined, Semi-Tarrasch
17. Mamedyarov vs Radjabov ½-½242017Gashimov MemorialE94 King's Indian, Orthodox
18. Topalov vs W So ½-½642017Gashimov MemorialC67 Ruy Lopez
19. Adams vs Eljanov  ½-½422017Gashimov MemorialC50 Giuoco Piano
20. Kramnik vs Harikrishna 1-0422017Gashimov MemorialC78 Ruy Lopez
21. W So vs Kramnik 1-0652017Gashimov MemorialA14 English
22. Harikrishna vs Mamedyarov ½-½512017Gashimov MemorialA04 Reti Opening
23. Karjakin vs Topalov 1-0302017Gashimov MemorialB12 Caro-Kann Defense
24. Eljanov vs R Wojtaszek  ½-½452017Gashimov MemorialA08 King's Indian Attack
25. Radjabov vs Adams  ½-½322017Gashimov MemorialE06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3
 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45  PGN Download
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May-06-17
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  tuttifrutty: My bad...socrates is already in there.
May-06-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <beatgiant> I agree, it doesn't belong here. But you know what happens; someone posts or asks a slightly off-topic question and then it snowballs from there. But I would suggest either Computer if the posts are computer-related in general or Arpad Elo if the posts are related to ratings as many of these are.
May-06-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <tuttifrutty> Obey? You are more delusional than I thought. As far as placing me on your "iggy" bin, I suggested that to you a long time ago, and I even said that you would be applauded for your good taste. Apparently it took you a long time to figure this out even though I spelled it out completely for you. You must be even dumber than I thought. And I already thought that you were pretty dumb.

I would be honored to be the first one to be placed on your "iggy" bin, but I will point out that you won't be the first one that has done that; others on this site also have good taste.

I do agree with you though, all this "mumbo jumbo" that you don't understand is somewhat off-topic for this page and, as I mentioned above, I will post it elsewhere unless it specifically refers to this tournament. But it will then only be fair that you restrict the posting of all your Wesley So drivel that I don't understand to the Wesley So page where it belongs. After all, as you made clear earlier, So did not participate in this tournament so any reference to him on his page is clearly off topic.

I command you to do that! Of course, whether you obey or not is up to you and the <chessgames.com> administrators. Not that I care in the slightest one way or the other.

May-06-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  zanzibar: https://ericpetersautos.com/wp-cont...
May-06-17  Absentee: <AylerKupp: <tuttifrutty> Obey? You are more delusional than I thought. As far as placing me on your "iggy" bin, I suggested that to you a long time ago, and I even said that you would be applauded for your good taste. Apparently it took you a long time to figure this out even though I spelled it out completely for you. You must be even dumber than I thought. And I already thought that you were pretty dumb.

I would be honored to be the first one to be placed on your "iggy" bin, but I will point out that you won't be the first one that has done that; others on this site also have good taste.

I do agree with you though, all this "mumbo jumbo" that you don't understand is somewhat off-topic for this page and, as I mentioned above, I will post it elsewhere unless it specifically refers to this tournament. But it will then only be fair that you restrict the posting of all your Wesley So drivel that I don't understand to the Wesley So page where it belongs. After all, as you made clear earlier, So did not participate in this tournament so any reference to him on his page is clearly off topic.

I command you to do that! Of course, whether you obey or not is up to you and the <chessgames.com> administrators. Not that I care in the slightest one way or the other.>

Or you could just, you know, ignore him.

May-06-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: <AK: I even said that you would be applauded for your good taste.>

I beg to differ.

<Absentee: Or you could just, you know, ignore him.>

I don't beg to differ.

May-06-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <<Absentee> Or you could just, you know, ignore him.>

I could, and I usually do. But I think that it is discourteous to ignore someone who addresses you directly, asks you a question, or commands you to obey. Don't you agree? :-)

May-06-17
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  AylerKupp: <OhioChessFan> I knew that there must be a song about this subject, and I was right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x6....

Of course, depending on your musical taste, the word "song" might be a stretch.

May-06-17
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  OhioChessFan: BEG to DIF fer

SPACE bar MAS ter

Hmmmm. Might be a song there.

May-06-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <OhioChessFan> There is a song everywhere you look. But the best songs are where you don't look. Then again, I wouldn't know.
May-06-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  tuttifrutty: <As far as placing me on your "iggy" bin, I suggested that to you a long time ago, and I even said that you would be applauded for your good taste.>

I have no recollection that you have said that in anyway or form. Please provide me with a memo that indicates when and where and how it happened. Signature required...

< But it will then only be fair that you restrict the posting of all your Wesley So drivel that I don't understand to the Wesley So page where it belongs.>

Please tell me how...

<After all, as you made clear earlier, So did not participate in this tournament so any reference to him on his page is clearly off topic.>

You failed to understand that without Wesley in a tourney, it is not a tourney at all but a circus show...he is the main attraction worldwide. Without him, chess would be dead, deep under six feet...thanks to him chess is still alive and going strong. Without Wesley, what would you do? You tell me.

<<Absentee: Or you could just, you know, ignore him.>

I don't beg to differ.>

I am borrowing Jim Bartle own words...<Oh shut up.>

May-06-17
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  zanzibar: <AK> - I started to look at <KingBase>.

I downloaded the PGN zipped file, which seems to be partitioned by ECO code.

Here's my question - when you say

<Out of about 1.9 million games after I eliminated Rapid, Blitz, exhibition, etc. games and duplicate games I was left with about 1.7 million games.>

How did you eliminate the Rapid, Blitz and exhibition games?

I assume there isn't an EventType flag and that you parsed out the Event header.

Correct?

.

May-07-17  BOSTER: Tending to change suddenly and without visible reason, and there- fore not able to be depended on statistics interpretation an outcome of the simple game is unpredictable.
May-07-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <<tuttifrutty> I have no recollection that you have said that in anyway or form. Please provide me with a memo that indicates when and where and how it happened.>

I guess that your memory is worse than mine. I have no intention of bothering to spend the time looking it up. If you are interested, look it up yourself. Or not, I don't care one way or the other.

<Please tell me how>

It's easy, even for you. Feel free to post whatever you want about So in any tournaments that So participates in or in any of his games. But if So is not participating in a given tournament or if a particular game does not involve So, then any posting involving So is technically off topic. Surely you can exercise some selectivity on which pages you post.

<You failed to understand that without Wesley in a tourney, it is not a tourney at all but a circus show...he is the main attraction worldwide. Without him, chess would be dead, deep under six feet...thanks to him chess is still alive and going strong. Without Wesley, what would you do? You tell me.>

Well, yes, I fail to understand nonsensical statements made without justification, not do I care to bother to even try. But, of course, you are entitled to your opinion, and to post it, as long as you adhere to the <chessgames.com> posting guidelines.

And, since you ask and it would be a discourtesy to ignore you, without So I would enjoy the games of all the other fine players, just like I did before So was born. And chess will remain the royal game, capable of giving immense pleasure to its devotees, long after So, me, and you have departed from this planet.

May-07-17
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  AylerKupp: <zanzibar> Yes. The version of the parser that I used for this purpose extracted the needed information from the header; the Event, Site, Date, White player's name and Elo, Black player's name and Elo, and Event Data, and created a *.csv file, one record per game. I didn't bother saving the moves in the *.csv file since they were not important for this purpose, but I did check the moves against the game that preceded it to try to eliminate duplicate games. I realize that this was not a perfect solution but, since the games are apparently listed in Date order, it worked reasonably well.

While I was parsing the PGN file I looked for strings in the Event name containing words like "Blitz", "Rapid", "Simul", "Exhib", "Blind", "Off-Hand", and probably others that I no longer remember and, if any were found, I did not create a record in the *.csv file for that game. I might also have looked for specific event names like "Amber" which is a traditional blindfold tournament as an additional filter condition but I'm not sure.

But as I said earlier, continually addressing this and related topics are somewhat off-topic for this page. I suggest either my forum or yours, unless you think that this is of sufficient interest to others so that a general page such as Computer (since it is a chess-related computer topic) is more suitable.

May-07-17
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  AylerKupp: <<BOSTER> Tending to change suddenly and without visible reason, and there- fore not able to be depended on statistics interpretation an outcome of the simple game is unpredictable.>

If when you say "unpredictable" you mean the ability to predict a game's outcome with certainty, then I will "certainly" agree with you. But that's not my goal, my goal is to be able to, on the average, predict game outcomes with 75% accuracy. My approach is based on calculating the probability of each of the 3 results (Win, Draw, Lose) for each game, and select as the most likely result the result that has the highest probability of occurring. Nothing profound or innovative there.

And if I can detect that one or more players are playing better than or worse than expected, then using Bayesian probability I can use this information (or any other information available prior to the game, such as the rating level of the players) to improve the accuracy of the probabilities.

I don't know if this will be sufficient to meet my 75% prediction accuracy goal. Right now But I will take comfort in the expectation that I should be able to improve on the accuracy of the weather forecasts, although that's not a hard thing to do.

Like I said to <zanzibar> above, continually addressing this and related topics are somewhat off-topic for this tournament page. If you are interested in discussing it further, either in general or in specifics, I would suggest continuing the discussion in Arpad Elo since, at least my approach, is ratings-related and, when you think of ratings, who first comes to mind but Dr. Arpad Elo?

May-07-17  Sally Simpson: Hi AylerKupp,

Just post when and where you want on any subject you want.

This tournament is over, what more is there to say:

"Well Done Mamedyarov."

Now What?

"Well Done again Mamedyarov."

May-07-17
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  AylerKupp: <Sally Simpson> I partially disagree. We should all attempt to post information, thoughts, opinions, etc. that are on topic for the page that we post on. There are certainly many, many pages on this site, and I'm sure that we can probably always find one that's appropriate for the subject we want to post on. If not, <chessgames.com> will usually accommodate any reasonable request for a new and appropriate page.

I know it's hard. A subject that is barely off-topic comes into someone's mind when they are in a particular page and they post it. Then someone responds to it, perhaps elaborating on it a little. The next thing you know the discussion has taken off on a subject that has nothing to do with the particular page where the original post was posted. I know, I'm among the most guilty in elaborating on any particular subject, and it doesn't take much to get me off and running. But this will be a better site if we all try to adhere to the on-topic posting principle.

And, of course, we all need to adhere to <chessgames.com>'s posting guidelines as listed to the right of the Kibitz posting box.

But, of course, you're right. The fat lady has sung. The tournament is over as even Yogi Berra (may he rest in piece or at least laughing) would agree. And "Well Done, Mamedyarov!" At least until the next tournament.

May-07-17
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  keypusher: I'm bothered, some, by off-topic posts while an event is in progress. But this event is over. So it seems like AK and SQ could do their math here as well as anywhere.
May-07-17
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  zanzibar: <AK> Arpo ELO is an OK landing place.

(Did you delete a post in the Computer forum, btw?)

I still prefer the very-under-utilized Librarian forum.

I don't like personal forums for a couple of reasons -

1) They can go away when Premium membership expire.

2) They're subject to moderation, whereas I prefer the one-size-fits-all <CG> policy.

Some people really like forums, and they have their time and place. But for most of the stuff I like to do, a general public forum is the best place - no matter how arcane some of the details become.

May-07-17
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  AylerKupp: <zanzibar> Well, I'm glad that you think that Arpad Elo is an OK landing place because I just posted the results of my search for articles on how to calculate P(W), P(D), P(L) from P(W/D) and P(L/D) starting in Arpad Elo (kibitz #314). I got sidetracked, as usual, but I think that I have a methodology for doing the calculations, although there is still work to be done. Let me know what you think.

<SwitchingQuylthulg>, <beatgiant> and others, take note, and also let me know what you think.

May-07-17
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  AylerKupp: <keypusher> I suppose that we could continue to do it here but I think that it's a good habit for all of us to get into to pick the most appropriate (or least inappropriate) place to post information. Besides, I am conceited enough to think that some of the mumbo jumbo I post might be of some interest (and even use!) to future readers, and they have marginally better chances of finding it at Arpad Elo than at this page.
May-08-17  Sally Simpson: Hi AylerKupp,

It all depends on how you view a chess thread.

To me we are all in a pub sitting around a table with a chess set and talking chess.

This thread was hot (by the way well done Mamedyarov) so we stayed here. If you moved to another table, the computer thread table, I'd be shouting across the bar at you.

But if you are your chums want to go to the computer table (which btw is right next to the toilet) then go there on your own free will. Don't let none of the bar flies force you there.

I'm staying here (well done Mamedyarov) I have a nice seat by the window and I'm looking at the trolls pressing their wee pinched faces against the glass trying to get in.

May-08-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <Sally Simpson> Well, that explains it. The pubs I frequent don't allow chess boards, pieces, or chess tables. Perhaps they make an exception in the vicinity of the toilet, but who wants to congregate there? Particulatly when the drinks woild take longer to arrive. So the concept of moving to another chess table was foreign to me.

I know, I need to start frequenting lower class pubs.

Did I mention Well done. Mamedyarov?

May-08-17  Sally Simpson: Hi AylerKupp,

You go to a pub that does not allow chess!

Huh!

Mind you it may not be bad idea. Sandy Bells still has two teams in the Edinburgh League, a majority of the first team were barred from Bells for fighting......over chess.

Congratulations Mamedyarov.

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