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|Jul-22-17|| ||TheFocus: <FSR> It seems like the top players are playing a lot of draws lately.|
But, at least we are not seeing meaningless 12-16 move draws.
|Jul-22-17|| ||john barleycorn: <TheFocus: One player at +1. One player at -1. And six players tied for 2nd.|
Yeah, they should have invited Leko and Giri instead of spoilers like Wojtasek and Fedoseev. But then whom they would name this tournament after? Problems, problems, problems.
But in all seriousness, we are facing the situation where they all use the same software and thus making up with preparation what they might lack in talent. The future of chess tournaments is a 98% draw rate.
|Jul-22-17|| ||FSR: <jphamlore . . . Petrosian Memorial (1999) . . . Smyslov's games that event averaged something like 13 moves per game.>|
12.777... to be precise. But as for the world record for shortest average game length in a tournament:
In the Premier I group at the 2003 Capablanca Memorial tournament, <Peter Szekely> took just 130 moves (an average of 10 moves per game) to draw all 13 of his games.> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...
The games are given in the comments to Szekely's page.
|Jul-23-17|| ||perfidious: Granted that Smyslov did not exert himself overmuch in the event cited by <hamhock>, but he was far from the only 'offender'--it will be noted that none of the participants was under fifty, and that Smyslov was one of three past seventy.|
|Jul-23-17|| ||john barleycorn: < perfidious: Granted that Smyslov did not exert himself overmuch in the event cited by <hamhock>, but he was far from the only 'offender'...>|
yeah, it takes two to tango. but then draws in 13 or less moves are an offense to the spectators/fans. Sheer arrogance on the player side and a clear demonstration how much they care.
|Jul-23-17|| ||paavoh: <My impression is they've been hard-fought draws.>|
I agree with <devere>. This is more interesting than a tourney with a few 2700's and a bunch of 2400's or lower.
People would complain about walk-overs.
The games matter more than the results, IMO.
|Jul-23-17|| ||et1: four decisive matches in 24. they all need a summer break|
|Jul-23-17|| ||john barleycorn: <et1: four decisive matches in 24. they all need a summer break>|
the players are paid an incentive as it could be worse.
But seriously, a good fighting draw is not a bad thing at all. And we seen some here. I mean, it is chess and not WWF wrestling.
|Jul-23-17|| ||Sokrates: Thanks for the reference, <jphamlore>. It saddens me to know that Smyslov could make such a disgrace to his good name. I agree with <john barleycorn> that this is "sheer arrogance" and should not occur among players who owe their career to the popularity of chess. |
They seem to forget that they, actually, are in the entertainment business, like all spectator sports. The players of the old Soviet could build a modest life on state salaries, but today they are dependent on the good-will of personal sponsors and sponsors of tournaments. If they are lucky sponsors don't put much emphasis on results and fighting spirit, but even those good-willed benefactors have their limits, I'm sure.
|Jul-23-17|| ||whiteshark: re: <Petrosian Memorial (1999):|
<Petrosianic: Most of them showed up only for the buffet. >> LOL, Everything points to him telling the truth.
...and the devil take the hindmost!
|Jul-23-17|| ||Sally Simpson: It's a pity that Kramnik cannot play Wojtaszek in the next round. If Kramnik won that and the rest drew we would have an 8 player tie for first to last place.|
|Jul-23-17|| ||john barleycorn: <Sally Simpson: It's a pity that Kramnik cannot play Wojtaszek in the next round. If Kramnik won that and the rest drew we would have an 8 player tie for first to last place.>|
Yes. Won't happen. why then mention?
"Wenn's Märzenbier regnet und Weißwürstl schneit...."
|Jul-23-17|| ||Gypsy: As for round 7, currently in progress, all four games look like white may have a win.|
|Jul-23-17|| ||Gypsy: Fedoseev-Wang ... 1:0|
|Jul-23-17|| ||botvinnik64: Radek wins it! Good job and Congrats! One of my fav players - always pushing, very creative.|
|Jul-23-17|| ||Marmot PFL: What a month for Poland with 1-2 finish in the last TDF time trial, win at Dortmund and a visit from the POTUS.|
|Jul-23-17|| ||Marmot PFL: Must have been that the organizers offered a special prize for last round wins. Otherwise the odds of four decisive games would seem to be over 100-1 the way this event had unfolded.|
|Jul-23-17|| ||AylerKupp: I think that the tournament organizers should find out what the players had for dinner last night or for lunch today and make it available to other tournaments. Four out of four decisive games! And ending with a not unreasonable 8 decisive games out of 28 (28.6%) for the tournament when there had been only 4 decisive games out of 24 through the first 6 rounds (a dismal 16.7%). Perhaps it was the Dortmunder Union.|
And Kramnik escapes sole position of the cellar, although he did lose 9 rating points (to 2803) in his quest to qualify for the 2018 Candidates Tournament by rating.
Congratulations to Wojtaszek who won his last round game (as he needed to) in order to win a clear first place.
|Jul-23-17|| ||Nf8: If one actually bothers to look at the games played and not just their results, what happened in the final round shouldn't be such a huge surprise - there were a lot of hard-fought games, especially starting from round 4, including some 4-5 draws which could have easily ended in a decisive result, with one side dropping a winning advantage (Bluebaum - Andreikin, Wojtaszek - Fedoseev, Fedoseev - Nisipeanu, Bluebaum - Wojtaszek, perhaps also MVL - Fedoseev).|
|Jul-23-17|| ||siamesedream: Congrats to my countryman <GM Radek Wojtaszek>!|
|Jul-23-17|| ||SirRuthless: Great final round explosion and congrats to Rado Wojtaszek.|
|Jul-23-17|| ||JAMESROOK: Just finished watching Dortmund. I went on the last Friday and Sat and Sunday. Big prob for Kramnik with loss to Fedeovsky. He kept trying to win but was lucky to draw sometimes. Not as good as some years but still a good|
|Jul-23-17|| ||not not: Wojtaszek made my country great again! Merkel must be heart broken, and Bismarck, and Hitler of course, and Otton too, and king of Goths, whoever he was. |
to be frank, I dont remember a polish GM winning any tournament for ages. Is he a new chess messaiah?
You tell me.
|Jul-23-17|| ||not not: Carlsen Wojtaszek, avenger of Anand vs Sauron, what a WC set up!|
|Jul-23-17|| ||WorstPlayerEver: <not not>
Not exactly; tell your fellow men to stop stealing everything.
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