|FIDE Grand Prix Geneva (2017)|
The tournament, a nine round Swiss contest, was the third of four Grand Prix in 2017 and followed the FIDE Grand Prix Sharjah (2017) in February and the FIDE Grand Prix Moscow (2017) in May.
Players: Grischuk, Riazantsev, Aronian, Nepomniachtchi, Giri, Gelfand, Jakovenko, Inarkiev, Hou Yifan, Li Chao, Michael Adams, Eljanov, Harikrishna, Svidler, Rapport, A.R. Saleh, Mamedyarov, and Radjabov.
Official Site: https://worldchess.com/events/europ...
| page 1 of 4; games 1-25 of 81
|1. Aronian vs Li Chao
||½-½||45||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||D70 Neo-Grunfeld Defense|
|2. Adams vs A R Saleh Salem
||1-0||38||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||B90 Sicilian, Najdorf|
|3. A Riazantsev vs Harikrishna
||0-1||83||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||E34 Nimzo-Indian, Classical, Noa Variation|
|4. Eljanov vs Yifan Hou
||1-0||49||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||C50 Giuoco Piano|
|5. R Rapport vs I Nepomniachtchi
||½-½||47||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||A45 Queen's Pawn Game|
|6. Svidler vs Jakovenko
||½-½||20||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||A34 English, Symmetrical|
|7. E Inarkiev vs Grischuk
|| ||½-½||60||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||A10 English|
|8. A Giri vs Radjabov
||0-1||40||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||D37 Queen's Gambit Declined|
|9. Gelfand vs Mamedyarov
||½-½||39||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||D02 Queen's Pawn Game|
|10. Yifan Hou vs A Riazantsev
||½-½||46||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||D31 Queen's Gambit Declined|
|11. A R Saleh Salem vs A Giri
||0-1||43||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||C53 Giuoco Piano|
|12. I Nepomniachtchi vs Gelfand
|| ||½-½||18||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||B31 Sicilian, Rossolimo Variation|
|13. Li Chao vs Svidler
||½-½||42||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||D90 Grunfeld|
|14. Grischuk vs R Rapport
||1-0||63||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||C97 Ruy Lopez, Closed, Chigorin|
|15. Mamedyarov vs E Inarkiev
||1-0||20||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||D30 Queen's Gambit Declined|
|16. Jakovenko vs Aronian
||0-1||51||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||C50 Giuoco Piano|
|17. Harikrishna vs Adams
|| ||½-½||38||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||C53 Giuoco Piano|
|18. Radjabov vs Eljanov
||1-0||41||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||E16 Queen's Indian|
|19. A Riazantsev vs A R Saleh Salem
|| ||½-½||37||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||D85 Grunfeld|
|20. R Rapport vs Jakovenko
||0-1||86||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||E20 Nimzo-Indian|
|21. E Inarkiev vs Yifan Hou
|| ||½-½||71||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||A14 English|
|22. Eljanov vs I Nepomniachtchi
||1-0||40||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||B92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation|
|23. Svidler vs Gelfand
|| ||½-½||20||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||A37 English, Symmetrical|
|24. A Giri vs Li Chao
||½-½||41||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||D16 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav|
|25. Adams vs Grischuk
||½-½||13||2017||FIDE Grand Prix Geneva||B52 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack|
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|Jul-16-17|| ||alexmagnus: <Not one of Gelfand's nine games reached the 40th move.>|
And 5 of the 9 games did not reach move 25.
|Jul-16-17|| ||alexmagnus: And you cannot even argument with "maximizing his chances" here|
|Jul-16-17|| ||JPi: To see Radjabov playing again which such vitality is a great pleasure. Congratulations for winning with fashion such great Tournament!|
|Jul-16-17|| ||MissScarlett: Excellent +1 result for Mickey. One gets the impression he's more than content with his place in the chess world. I trust he's invested his money wisely.|
|Jul-16-17|| ||AylerKupp: <<devere> MVL needs a second place finish at Palma to pass both Shak and Grischuk, and Radja or Ding can do it with a third place finish at Palma.>|
Mamedyarov currently has 340 points and Grischuk 336.4. As you said, the only players that can overtake Grischuk for the second spot are Radjabov (95 points needed), Ding Liren (96.4 points needed) and Vachier-Lagrave (125 points needed). They can do this in many ways but these are the minimums:
Radjabov: No worse than tie for 1-8 places (96.3 points), tie for 2-6 places (98 points), or tie for 3-4 places (100 points). Of course, an 8-way tie for 1-8 places is highly unlikely, but it is theoretically possible.
Ding: No worse than tie 1-7 places (102.9 points), tie for 2-6 places (98 points), or tie for 3-4 places (100 points). Again, a 7-way tie for 1-7 places is highly unlikely.
Vachier-Lagrave: No worse than tie for 1-4 places (127.5 points), or clear 2nd place (140 points).
Of course, any 2 of these players (or all 3) could place sufficiently well to displace both Mamedyarov and Grischuk. Radjabov in particular seems to be in fine form and a clear 3rd place would allow him to do that, as well as a clear 2nd for Ding Liren and Vachier-Lagrave. But who knows which version of these players will show up for Palma de Mallorca. One thing for sure, Mamedyarov and Grischuk will be biting their fingernails and, if they currently don't do that, they will probably start.
BTW, is Palma referred to as Palma de Mallorca or Palma de Majorca? In Spanish they would be pronounced the same way. The official site conveniently skirts the issue by referring to the last site as "Palma de M." :-)
|Jul-16-17|| ||markz: Normally, +1 worth less than 90 GP points, +2 worth more than 100. For Radja, Ding, and MVL, very clearly +1 will not be good enough. They need +2 in Palma to quality.|
|Jul-16-17|| ||cro777: <AylerKupp: Is Palma referred to as Palma de Mallorca or Palma de Majorca?>|
Majorca and Mallorca (in Spanish) are two names for the same Spanish island.
Majorca is the British term which has its roots in Latin ("major"). It is the largest of the Balearic islands.
Palma is the capital and the largest city of the Balearic islands, situated on the coast of Majorca (Mallorca).
|Jul-16-17|| ||Nf8: <Normally, +1 worth less than 90 GP points, +2 worth more than 100. For Radja, Ding, and MVL, very clearly +1 will not be good enough. They need +2 in Palma to qualify.>|
Sounds right - in FIDE Grand Prix Sharjah (2017) +2 was worth 140 points (shared 1-3), in FIDE Grand Prix Moscow (2017) also 140 (clear 2nd), and here 125 (shared 2-3). +1 was worth 70 points in Sharjah (shared 4-8), 71.4 in Moscow (shared 3-9), and 60 here (shared 4-10).
|Jul-17-17|| ||AylerKupp: <cro777> Thanks. It must be old age, but I had forgotten that Majorca was the name of the island. And since the name of the second largest of the Balearic islands is Minorca, then I think that Majorca is a more consistent spelling than Mallorca.|
|Jul-17-17|| ||BOSTER: Palma De Mallorca. This resort is famous by beautiful beaches.
But this is very attractive city to play chess because Fischer won here the great tour.|
|Jul-17-17|| ||ChessEscudero: Big boost for Radjabov to get back on his feet and return to being potential candidate for world championship that he was once.|
|Jul-17-17|| ||JointheArmy: <Congratulations to Teimour for being able to turn back the clock. Nobody saw this coming.>|
He just turned 30. 30 is the new 20, IMO.
|Jul-18-17|| ||ColdSong: I don't like Aronian's excuse of not being sufficiently prepared.A truly strong player is harmonious enough to avoid defeat even when he's not deeply prepared.|
|Jul-18-17|| ||ColdSong: Congrats to Radjabov by the way.Interesting come back.|
|Jul-18-17|| ||AdolfoAugusto: During the Carlsen Karjarkin match there was a kibitz that quoted Bruno Mars 24K song,
If someone could point the date I will look for it. Thanks.|
|Jul-18-17|| ||Sally Simpson: You must like this song.
Kibitzer's Café (kibitz #190638)
|Jul-20-17|| ||tuttifrutty: I say no matter who qualify for the candidates in the GP is not gonna change the ultimate result. What a waste of time...These jokers are just pretenders...no chance of being the best in the world. There...I told you like it is...if you don't like it...tough.|
|Jul-22-17|| ||cro777: <Mamedyarov and Radjabov have chances to qualify for the Candidates Tournament in March 2018>|
It is not surprising that Baku is among the bidders to host the tournament.
|Jul-27-17|| ||AylerKupp: <tuttifrutty> For once we agree completely. No matter who qualifies in the GP it is not going to change the end result. Likewise for the World Cup and the Candidates Tournament. Carlsen will destroy whoever the challenger is and retain his title.|
There, I told it like it is and like it will be. If you don't like it, tough. :-)
|Jul-27-17|| ||Marmot PFL: Carlsen hasn't exactly destroyed anyone since winning the title.|
|Jul-27-17|| ||perfidious: For all that, Carlsen has maintained his hold on the top spot in the rankings for years now, although his lead over the rest has shrunk.|
|Jul-28-17|| ||AylerKupp: <<Marmot PFL> Carlsen hasn't exactly destroyed anyone since winning the title.>|
True, but notice the ":-)" at the end of my post. After all, what do logic and facts have to do with this kind of "reasoning"?
All we know at this time is that Carlsen will face a challenger. Carlsen may or may not win the WCC match and, if he does, he may or not win decisively. Or he may or may not lose decisively. It will depend on who the challenger is and whether Carlsen and/or the challenger are in top form when the match is held. And all that the match will prove is who was the better player at that point in time, nothing more.
Of course, it is fun to speculate but that's all it is, speculation.
|Jul-28-17|| ||tuttifrutty: <Carlsen will destroy whoever the challenger is and retain his title.>|
Magnus will not be able to destroy Wesley if he qualifies....Carlsen will self destruct...guaranteed. The worst mistake Karjakin and Anand did was...ummmm...they failed to enlist the services of Wesley as their second. Both of them underestimated Wesley's ability and talent.
Wesley is just as hard as a diamond sparkling...hard to match his brilliance..now...that's tough.:-)
|Jul-29-17|| ||AylerKupp: <tuttifrutty> Remember that hardness is the ability to resist scratching, nothing more. A diamond is the hardest substance known, but it is also one of the most brittle, easy to crush. And certainly not tough.|
|Aug-02-17|| ||tuttifrutty: <<tuttifrutty> Remember that hardness is the ability to resist scratching, nothing more. A diamond is the hardest substance known, but it is also one of the most brittle, easy to crush. And certainly not tough.>|
But of course...everything is brittle when you crush it with some metals a million times larger than its size. Much like saying you need a million Magnus to crush one Wesley.
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