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🏆 8th Hainan Danzhou (2017)

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The 8th Danzhou Super GM tournament took place 9th to 18th July 2017. ... [more]

Player: Vassily Ivanchuk

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. V Malakhov vs Ivanchuk  ½-½2920178th Hainan DanzhouA15 English
2. Ivanchuk vs Wei Yi  ½-½4420178th Hainan DanzhouE10 Queen's Pawn Game
3. Naiditsch vs Ivanchuk  ½-½4720178th Hainan DanzhouB41 Sicilian, Kan
4. Ivanchuk vs Ponomariov  ½-½3720178th Hainan DanzhouC48 Four Knights
5. Wang Hao vs Ivanchuk  ½-½3520178th Hainan DanzhouC92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
6. Ivanchuk vs Ding Liren 1-04020178th Hainan DanzhouC84 Ruy Lopez, Closed
7. Le Quang Liem vs Ivanchuk 1-04120178th Hainan DanzhouE73 King's Indian
8. Ivanchuk vs Yu Yangyi  ½-½3720178th Hainan DanzhouC42 Petrov Defense
9. Lu Shanglei vs Ivanchuk  ½-½2720178th Hainan DanzhouC55 Two Knights Defense
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Jul-15-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  cro777: A visit to the Danzhou Tropical Botanical Garden during the rest day.

One of the most popular sites in Danzhou is Hainan Tropical Wildlife Park and Botanical Garden, which contains several thousand rare species from all four corners of the planet.

The players in an intimate encounter with nature in the "tropical plant kingdom":

http://static.news.sina.com.tw/arti...

Jul-15-17
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  jith1207: <All four corners of the planet> Number of pizza corners in new York city would overtake that count xD

Thanks for the link.

Ding Liren played against Ivanchuk today. I thought he played fully drunk. Now I realise he probably got bitten by a mysterious species of insect in the botanical garden.

Jul-15-17
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  jith1207: Hey chess elite, Make Wei for Yi. He is in Elite GM category officially, having set to cross ELO 2760 by end of this tournament. Hope to see him being invited for more super tournaments next year and can't wait for that. Hope he gains confidence and showcase consistency against the very top.

Happy for the very healthy competition in ELO 2650 - 2750 category too.

Jul-17-17  mprodrigues: Lu Shanglei is by no means a bad player, but he lost all his games against fellow chinese players and drew the others, might be that they just know his game all too well, but it sure is fishy.
Jul-17-17  markz: <mprodrigues: Lu Shanglei is by no means a bad player, but he lost all his games against fellow chinese players and drew the others, might be that they just know his game all too well, but it sure is fishy.>

I don't think so. Lu rating is 2638, lost 4 drew 4 so far. Malakhov is 2722, also lost 4 drew 4. Do you really think Lu should play better than Matakhov? Any good reason?

Jul-17-17
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  WorstPlayerEver: <markz>

U giv reason 1st before ask

Jul-17-17  markz: <WorstPlayerEver: <markz> U giv reason 1st before ask>

I gave reason already. Can you read?

My reason: Lu rating is 2638, Malakhov is 2722. Normally, Malakhov should play better than Lu.

My question: Do you really have any good reason to think Lu should play better than Malakhov, who lost 4 drew 4 also? Why do you think Lu's results (lost 4 drew 4) is fishy?

Jul-17-17  mprodrigues: <markz> no no no, you got it all wrong, I'm not saying he losing 4 games and drawing 4 is fishy, that is perfectly normal and actually could happen to any of them, what I'm saying is that he lost to all chinese players and only to them and drew against the others, which is kind of reminiscent of old soviet russia way of fixing matches. Also I said that it might simply be that the other chinese players just know him too well, but it piqued my curiosity nonetheless.
Jul-17-17
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  WorstPlayerEver: <markz>

Uhmm.. if everything in this world would live up to its standards all the time..

But I just say the Chinese still have to learn how to fix chess tournaments in a more decent eh way 😊

Jul-17-17  markz: <mprodrigues: <markz> no no no, you got it all wrong, I'm not saying he losing 4 games and drawing 4 is fishy, that is perfectly normal and actually could happen to any of them, what I'm saying is that he lost to all chinese players and only to them and drew against the others, which is kind of reminiscent of old soviet russia way of fixing matches. Also I said that it might simply be that the other chinese players just know him too well, but it piqued my curiosity nonetheless.>

No no no, I didn't misunderstand you at all!

You were saying Lu lost 4 games because the Chinese players fixed match, correct? If they didn't fix match, you think Lu shouldn't lose some of these games, correct? So basically, you think Lu should play better than +0=4-4 in this tournament, correct?

Ironically, in the same tournament, Malakhov, a 2722 super GM, got the exact same result +0=4-4. Can you explain why Lu should play better than Malakhov? Why Lu's 4 games loss to Chinese players is fishy? Why Lu should play better than +0=4-4?

Other evidences. Just in Geneva Grand Prix this month, Rapport 2694 got +1=3-5, Hou 2666 got +1=3-5, Salm 2638 got +1=3-6. They didn't play better than Lu 2638, correct? "It sure is fishy"!? Are you still sure?

Your logic is wrong, and you didn't understand my logic. Do you really understand simple logic? I doubt.

Jul-17-17  markz: <WorstPlayerEver: <markz> Uhmm.. if everything in this world would live up to its standards all the time..

But I just say the Chinese still have to learn how to fix chess tournaments in a more decent eh way 😊>

Where is your logic? Sure, you can say anything you want. So what?

Jul-17-17  mprodrigues: <markz> man I don't get why you need to be so agressive, cool down xD it is a simply observation. If my logic is wrong or I can't understand yours we simply need to communicate better, I'm not threatening your honor or anything ok.
Jul-17-17  Sally Simpson: It's just a coincidence. One thing I find refreshing about the Chinese players (men and women) is they do tend to have a real go at each other.

Hi Markz,

The lads are just having a wee joke (hence the 😊 thingy being added.)

You may not know the full extent of how the old USSR 'arranged things' and to some here it still rankles.

Here is just one of many episodes.

Spassky talking about this game Spassky vs Smyslov, 1953

" The tournament started with the ‘massacre’ among the Soviet chess players. Petrosyan won against Tolush, I defeated Smyslov, and after the 7th round Laszlo Szabo was leading the field. Suddenly there came a telegram from Moscow ordering us to stop shedding our own blood and insisting that we should draw all our games between ourselves. Luckily, I had already scored a point against Smyslov."

http://www.kingpinchess.net/2007/11...

Jul-17-17  markz: <Sally Simpson: It's just a coincidence. One thing I find refreshing about the Chinese players (men and women) is they do tend to have a real go at each other. Hi Markz,

The lads are just having a wee joke (hence the 😊 thingy being added)

You may not know the full extent of how the old USSR 'arranged things' and to some here it still rankles>

I don't think the current China is similar to the old USSR (chess-wise).

The Chinese players have a real go at each other in daily life. But when they face each other on the chess board, they are fighters. I don't think they fix match. For example, I have seen Ding, Wei, and Yu fighted heavily with each other in many chess games. Usually, there is no easy draw between them.

Also, I don't think the Chinese players' rating are inflated artificially. For examples, in Tata 2016, Ding is 8.0/13 TPR 2833, Wei is 6.5/13 TPR 2751. In Tata 2017, Wei is 7.5/13 TPR 2811. Seems underrated instead of overrated.

Thanks

Jul-17-17  markz: Wei and LQL drew in 18 moves for the last game. Obviously, they fixed this match! LOL. Congrats to Wei the new Danzhou Champion!
Jul-17-17  Imran Iskandar: Congratulations to Wei Yi for winning the 8th Hainan Danzhou!
Jul-18-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  WorstPlayerEver: <markz>

Lol did I read that right? What about you? I ask for a reason not for a repetition of moves. But I guess you don't know the difference.

Jul-18-17  ex0duz: <mprodrigues: <markz> man I don't get why you need to be so agressive, cool down xD it is a simply observation. If my logic is wrong or I can't understand yours we simply need to communicate better, I'm not threatening your honor or anything ok>

You were the one who made allegations of match fixing and making comparisons with Soviet era match fixing without any proof or logic when as the other posters have said, the chinese actually play each other and have never been accused of such things.

What did you think was going to happen? Of course you were attacking SOMEONES 'honor'.

Jul-18-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Marmot PFL: I wound't envy any Chinese player who damaged young Wei's chances in a race against foreign players. fortunately none of them did. in all Chinese events the story is different.
Jul-18-17  markz: <WorstPlayerEver: <markz> Lol did I read that right? What about you? I ask for a reason not for a repetition of moves. But I guess you don't know the difference.>

You ask for a reason? A reason of what? If you didn't ask clearly, how can I understand it?

Jul-18-17  mwknight: All Chinese players with the exception of Wang Hao are rated above 2750 while the rest of them are rated below 2750. It might correlate with Lu ShangLei's performances
Jul-18-17
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  AdolfoAugusto: During the Carlsen Karjarkin match there was a kibitz that quoted Bruno Mars 24K song,

If someone could point the date I will look for it. Thanks.

Jul-18-17  Sally Simpson: We will both get a row for spamming..but here it is again.

Kibitzer's Café (kibitz #190638)

Jul-21-17
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  jith1207: Spamming after everyone has left the forum is not really that ;-}

Is there any way, <Sally Simpson> to find / search a kibitz by a phrase? I have not tried probably so far, does it work that well!!

Jul-23-17  Sally Simpson: Hi Jith1207,

searching for a phase does not appear to work.

I just looked for:

"Is there any way" and found nothing. To find a particular post you need to recall a single keyword.

Just now I chose at random 'paperweight' and found a post going back to 2012

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