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|1. Vaganian vs Harikrishna
||½-½||21||2017||Biel||D39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation|
|2. Bacrot vs Ponomariov
|| ||½-½||44||2017||Biel||B11 Caro-Kann, Two Knights, 3...Bg4|
|3. N Georgiadis vs Navara
|| ||½-½||59||2017||Biel||B84 Sicilian, Scheveningen|
|4. Morozevich vs Yifan Hou
||0-1||37||2017||Biel||A07 King's Indian Attack|
|5. N Studer vs Leko
||0-1||66||2017||Biel||A62 Benoni, Fianchetto Variation|
|6. Yifan Hou vs N Studer
|7. Harikrishna vs N Georgiadis
|| ||½-½||55||2017||Biel||A04 Reti Opening|
|8. Ponomariov vs Leko
||1-0||46||2017||Biel||C53 Giuoco Piano|
|9. Navara vs Morozevich
||0-1||41||2017||Biel||A62 Benoni, Fianchetto Variation|
|10. Bacrot vs Vaganian
||1-0||33||2017||Biel||C18 French, Winawer|
|11. N Studer vs Navara
||½-½||83||2017||Biel||A62 Benoni, Fianchetto Variation|
|12. Morozevich vs Harikrishna
||½-½||41||2017||Biel||E37 Nimzo-Indian, Classical|
|13. Leko vs Yifan Hou
|| ||½-½||30||2017||Biel||C42 Petrov Defense|
|14. Vaganian vs Ponomariov
||½-½||40||2017||Biel||D73 Neo-Grunfeld, 5.Nf3|
|15. N Georgiadis vs Bacrot
|| ||½-½||37||2017||Biel||C67 Ruy Lopez|
|16. Harikrishna vs N Studer
|17. Navara vs Leko
||1-0||39||2017||Biel||D38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation|
|18. Bacrot vs Morozevich
||1-0||40||2017||Biel||B52 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack|
|19. Vaganian vs N Georgiadis
||0-1||39||2017||Biel||A48 King's Indian|
|20. Ponomariov vs Yifan Hou
|| ||½-½||49||2017||Biel||C28 Vienna Game|
|21. Leko vs Harikrishna
|| ||½-½||57||2017||Biel||C84 Ruy Lopez, Closed|
|22. N Studer vs Bacrot
||0-1||46||2017||Biel||E06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3|
|23. Yifan Hou vs Navara
||1-0||40||2017||Biel||B90 Sicilian, Najdorf|
|24. Morozevich vs Vaganian
||1-0||43||2017||Biel||C16 French, Winawer|
|25. N Georgiadis vs Ponomariov
|| ||½-½||29||2017||Biel||B30 Sicilian|
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|Aug-02-17|| ||SirRuthless: Heading into the last day tied Hou does the business and ends up SOLO first.|
Hou has now won more classical tournaments than Carlsen this year. Imagine that!
|Aug-02-17|| ||jith1207: Congrats, Hou. However, didn't expect Hari to go down like this. Two last undefeated players both lost today and decided the winner of the tournament. In any case, good Biel chess festival for the local talent, Nico. Navara lost many ELOs, as much as Yifan gained. Hope she enters 2700 club soon. I was following her last year when she came close to 2700 mark but lost About 50 then she is on the rise again now.|
|Aug-02-17|| ||chessmoron: Nice going, <Hou>. From a disastrous Grand Prix tournament to a sole first place finish at Biel.|
|Aug-02-17|| ||beenthere240: She seemed to have better time management this tournament.|
|Aug-02-17|| ||LucB: Well done Yifan!|
|Aug-02-17|| ||diagonal: A distinguished winner in the elite event at the 50th and Jubilee edition of the whole Biel International Chess Festival:|
Congratulations to Hou Yifan from China for winning the elite Grandmaster Tournament at Biel in 2017 as clear first above players like Harikrishna, Navara, Morozevich, Ponomariov, Bacrot or Leko.
A good contest also for Swiss Nico Georgiadis who finished above 50% in that GMT.
Albo d'Oro from Biel: http://www.chessdiagonals.ch/402840...
|Aug-02-17|| ||leroquentin: Congrats Hou Yifan!|
|Aug-02-17|| ||devere: A great tournament win for Hou Yifan.|
|Aug-02-17|| ||AylerKupp: <Nf8> Thanks. The information I provided on tiebreaks, even though it didn't make any sense to me, was from the official web site. I thought that it was odd that it was listed as a Swiss system tournament (then again, Biel is in Switzerland so one never knows). So now it's only odd that the official web site does not list the round robin tournament. And I don't know what they would call it, since not everyone participating is a grandmaster, the title "Main" was already in use for another Swiss tournament. But it simply could be old information since the link has the word "beta" in it.|
So Sonneberg-Berger tiebreak it is. Did anyone get a chance to check my numbers in case Harikrishna and Hou draw their games? At any rate it's a moot point since Hou won her game and Harikrishna lost his. Congratulations Hou Yifan on a major tournament win!
|Aug-02-17|| ||Nf8: <botvinnik64: Hou is first - alone. Is this her "biggest" victory to date?>|
It's her first victory in an important non-women event. Not quite a "super-tournament" and a relatively weak edition of Biel, but still - ahead of six 2700s or high-2600s, with a TPR of 2810, it's definitely impressive. Especially the way she finished with 3 consecutive wins after the loss to Harikrishna.
In her career achievements I'd say it's definitely in the top-2; it's possible to argue about where it stands relative to her performance in Gibraltar 2012 - 8/10, including 5/7 vs. 2700 players, TPR 2872 (http://chess-results.com/tnr63931.a... ) - but there she didn't actually win the tournament, finishing shared 1st and losing to Short in a playoff tiebreak.
|Aug-02-17|| ||ex0duz: <jith1207: <Women are far weaker than men in general> and to men such as <Bareev>:|
Generations after generations, women were discriminated and they did not have equal opportunity to get to a competitive level for so long and they were generally assigned to be involved in some profession, forget about sports at highest level. Now, 21st century men see them through a lens without considering any of these inconveniences that have been afflicted on them. What do they say? Yes, women are not at the level where men are.>
What? I was just stating the current REALITY of the situation. If you want to talk about 'discrimination', the only discrimination there is is that there are WOMENS ONLY tournaments where ONLY WOMEN CAN PLAY. Why is this? Women can go play anytime they want in open tournaments vs men, like Hou Yifan has done, and like Judit has done. But yet they still don't. So don't give me that BS about 'discrimination'. If anything, it's men who are discriminated against, men who are 2600 or 2699 are given far less chances to make money than Hou or the top 10 women are given, purely because of their gender. You still want to talk about discrimination? You are the one assigning all this random nonsense in trying to explain why women are FACTUALLY WEAKER than men CURRENTLY, even making up false claims of 'discrimination' when i have just shown that THE REALITY of it is the OPPOSITE of what you are trying to claim.
<Of course, they won't be, captain obvious. they will not be, at least in chess. However, there will be a time when a woman would play like Carlsen and no man would be able to beat her consistently. But it has been only 100 years or so when at least some individual women have been able to choose and shine in the respects they desire. They will get there.>
No, they won't, not as long as they continue to play amongst themselves in WOMEN ONLY tournaments where the vast majority of women they play are FAR WEAKER than men. Like i said, they can play anytime vs men and do like Hou and Judit if they want to get better and play vs the best. But yet they choose not to. They will remain inferior as long as they continue to play vs INFERIOR COMPETITION(regardless of gender). I only look at ELO, i don't look at gender.
|Aug-02-17|| ||ex0duz: <Until then, yes, men would continue to ridicule and act as know-it-all geniuses. Men will be men.>|
Don't bring your sexist BS in here, i have shown all your claims to be fantasy. If you want to get better, play vs the best. There is nothing stopping them from playing vs the best(which just happen to be 99% men). However, they choose to keep womens only comps where only women can compete and/or win prizes, and where men are BARRED from playing in order to give them a chance to encourage more women players to develop, however they don't move on like Hou/Judit, they stay there until they retire since they don't get any better, even if they do play in opens vs other stronger players, they still don't seem to get stronger..
Womens only tournaments are SEXIST and DISCRIMINATORY, and if we're for equality, they should be gone.. No? If it's about giving incentive to women to participate, then ok. But then why haven't any of them gotten better even though they play in opens and play just as much as their male counterparts in this day and age? Surely there must be more 2600+ players than just Hou/Judit etc, even in the current chess climate with the current number of female players? We can even go to 2500~ players, how many men are there who are 2500+ who don't have any chance to make money and no one knows or cares about them, while 2500+ as a woman means you are like top 10 and making bank and famous? THAT'S SEXIST DISCRIMINATION.
You have no point to stand on. While your comments about discrimination against women might be true in other areas, it doesn't exist in chess. It only exists due to womens OWN CHOOSING. IE if they wish to have kids or don't wish to be as 'obsessive' in their pursuit of chess greatness, that is not mens fault, that is womens own choosing. Judit has shown that it is possible, and Hou is also going that route.
The rest of the top women players cannot complain about discrimination in chess as the main reason why they are WEAK/WEAKER than majority of men.
I am for equality and for more women in chess. However, i am NOT for sexist discrimination AGAINST MEN in chess. Are you? You are hating against men for no reason it seems. I don't agree that it will always stay the way things are(if that's what Bareev is saying), but if they continue to play in womens only tournies and vs players of low rating, then of course they will stay where they are.
And based on current situation, it seems like most top womens players are content to keep making a living playing vs weaker female players. I mean, why wouldn't they? It's easy money compared to playing vs 2600-2700 men in opens where they have no chance(since they won't ever qualify or get invited to superGM tourneys obviously)
|Aug-02-17|| ||siamesedream: Congrats to GM Hou Yifan!|
|Aug-02-17|| ||ex0duz: <Sokrates: Well said, <jith1207>, I fully agree with you.|
And the discrimination goes right to the so-called leaders of FIDE of today, who force the women elite to play in a woman-hostile country, where they, moreover, are forced to wear clothes which are symbols of centuries of oppression. In some western countries, like mine, the liberation of women has come far, but this only covers the minority of women in the world.
In other sports it is even worse. How many Arabic women have you seen in the Olympics?>
Discrimination of women in chess? what?
women who are 2500 can play in womens only tourneys and be famous and win big money while men who are 2500 or 2600 even are no name and don't make anything since they are forced to actually play vs everyone, which means they have to play in opens only vs 2700+ players. They cannot play in competition vs 2500 or 2400 players where the winner will get 20,000 or even 50,000.
But you blame FIDE for this so called 'discrimination'? Laughable. If that's discrimination, they how about let's get rid of womens only competitions and make it all OPEN gender, and make everyone EQUAL? No, you don't want equality, you want women to get special treatment.
IE you are FOR SEXIST DISCRIMINATION in FAVOUR OF WOMEN. Don't make me laugh at your ridiculous comments that have no basis in reality.
As for countries with certain religions etc, that's not FIDE. That's the religion/countries who are discriminating. Like i explained above, FIDE is actually for SEXIST DISCRIMINATION in FAVOR OF WOMEN.
Women don't have to play if they don't want to, but yet they still choose to go to those countries anyway, because they still get to play in WOMENS ONLY tournaments where they get to make big bucks compared to men of the same or even higher rating, who get NOTHING.
And who cares if they play in Saudi Arabia or whatever and have to wear a burqa etc. Same as in China where they have to wear chinese style shirt/clothes. It's not FIDE trying to be sexist, it's just them respecting the host countries culture/traditions. Don't be silly. Chess isn't a fashion show, if you want to get into politics or make political protest, then do it. But don't mix it up with chess competition and involve it with chess, because it's not going to get you anywhere. You think a few chess players protesting is going to change Islamic traditions? lol. What's next, you are going to protest China and every other country because of 'human rights' or 'freedom of press' or 'political freedoms' etc? Chess is chess, politics is politics. We should keep the two separate, even if it does make tournaments/competition more exciting sometimes, like Fischer vs Russia/US etc.. but do you really want to go back to those days? People being kidnapped and governments telling their players to throw games etc?
|Aug-02-17|| ||beenthere240: <exOduz>
I suppose you disapprove of the WNBA or the LPGA or women's tennis. I suppose you dislike title IX and disapprove of women's sports in general.
Sure it's an anomaly that in brain games like Chess or Bridge men seem to have an edge over women as a group. But that shouldn't prevent groups like FIDE from hosting women's tournaments. It's not as though the modest prize money ("big bucks"? really?) is overwhelming, but it gives women a chance to learn and compete.
But that makes you angry doesn't it?
|Aug-02-17|| ||markz: <AylerKupp: And I don't know what they would call it, since not everyone participating is a grandmaster, the title "Main" was already in use for another Swiss tournament. But it simply could be old information since the link has the word "beta" in it.>|
chess24 call it Biel GM tournament. Congrats to Hou!
|Aug-02-17|| ||AylerKupp: I think that all the players should be congratulated for their fighting spirit. In contrast to most other top-level tournaments, 60% of all games were decisive. And all the games in the final round were decisive.|
|Aug-02-17|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi beenthere240,
Just because exOduz express's an opinion, albeit it a rather lengthy one, about women only chess tournaments, one cannot assume that he also disapproves of the WNBA, the LPGA or women's tennis or women's sport in general.
I agree in part. I cannot see why in open tournaments there should be such a thing as a women's prize.
No problem at all with all women tournaments or the Women's Olympiad but in open events the women prize is a glorified grading prize suggesting women are weaker at chess than man.
I've never thought so. Tournaments such as this prove they are not.
|Aug-02-17|| ||Sokrates: Huge congrats to Hou Yifan for a fantastic victory. Great performance with no less than five wins. A triumph!|
<ex0duz> If I saw a iota of possibility of a dialogue with you on the women's issue, I'd do it, but unfortunately, I don't. We are on two very different planets on all accounts, so on my part I have to refrain, sorry.
|Aug-02-17|| ||stst: Have to check history whether this is the first win of a gal among all rest men??|
Yes or No, Yifan makes a mark (if not history!!)
This will be a big boost of confidence going forward to meet and greet the 2800's, and spring-board to the Candidates?? <<Time's running out, but many may laugh too soon!!>>
|Aug-02-17|| ||diagonal: <Beholder>: Perfect timing! Yesterday you launched the eternal discussion on man & woman, and today, Hou Yifan wins the traditional Biel grandmaster invitation tournament outright :)|
<stst>: 'The site Ajedrez de Ataque' offers a selection of tournament wins and honorable accomplishments by women in international chess competitions:
Hou Yifan's predecessors: Vera Menchik .. Alla at Lone Pine Open 1975, first round upset .. Nona co-winning at Lone Pine Open 1977 .. Maia taking Banja Luka GM invitation 1985 Xie Jun, somehow the first Chinese chess star .. the three Polgar sisters, especially Judit ..
|Aug-02-17|| ||Absentee: Gosh, it's Platiturday already.|
|Aug-02-17|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi stst.
Off hand I can recall Judit Polgar
And Zsofia Polgar doing the sac of Rome.
|Aug-02-17|| ||Nf8: <stst: Have to check history whether this is the first win of a gal among all rest men??>|
Of course not - Judit Polgar had quite a few, and several of them more impressive than this one; most impressive of all is probably Madrid 1994, where at the age of 18 she won by a margin of 1.5 points, ahead of four top-10 players (Shirov, Kamsky, Salov, Bareev) & two more top-20 players (Sokolov, Tiviakov).
Game Collection: Madrid 1994
|Aug-02-17|| ||An Englishman: Good Afternoon: Am I seriously deluded, or did this tournament have more wins than losses? If yes, why do we not discuss that?|
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