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🏆 St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz) (2017)

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Played in Saint Louis, Missouri, USA 17-18 August, as part of the Grand Chess Tour 2017. The ten participants first played nine games of rapid chess (see ... [more]

Player: Fabiano Caruana

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Caruana vs Karjakin 0-1262017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)A45 Queen's Pawn Game
2. Navara vs Caruana  0-1342017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)A20 English
3. Caruana vs Nakamura 0-1662017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)C65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense
4. Aronian vs Caruana  0-1342017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)A20 English
5. I Nepomniachtchi vs Caruana  1-0472017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)B41 Sicilian, Kan
6. Caruana vs Anand  ½-½402017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)A09 Reti Opening
7. Le Quang Liem vs Caruana  1-0612017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)D00 Queen's Pawn Game
8. Caruana vs L Dominguez 0-1222017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)A13 English
9. Kasparov vs Caruana 0-1402017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)C11 French
10. Karjakin vs Caruana  1-0392017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)A01 Nimzovich-Larsen Attack
11. Caruana vs Navara  1-0312017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)B13 Caro-Kann, Exchange
12. Nakamura vs Caruana 1-0912017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)A06 Reti Opening
13. Caruana vs Aronian  0-1472017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)A13 English
14. Caruana vs I Nepomniachtchi  0-1382017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)B23 Sicilian, Closed
15. Anand vs Caruana  0-1322017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)C78 Ruy Lopez
16. Caruana vs Le Quang Liem  0-1592017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)A30 English, Symmetrical
17. L Dominguez vs Caruana  1-0542017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)D30 Queen's Gambit Declined
18. Caruana vs Kasparov 0-1652017St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz)A07 King's Indian Attack
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Aug-19-17  starry2013: Was it ever said what happened in that Anand - Nakamura dispute that put Kasparov off?
Aug-19-17
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  Domdaniel: <Worst> A source: https://www.chess.com/chessopedia/v...
Aug-19-17  BOSTER: < Domdaniel >:<It is understandable that kibitzers here can't analyse as well as the players>. What an utter fool I was thinking that many kibitzers here were able to analyse games as good enough as average GM. If I am wrong, what is the reason to participate in <CG> LIVE. .
Aug-19-17  jphamlore: <tamar> Botvinnik must be seen as a product of his times where he lived in a society, the era of Stalin, where having the right friends, and equally not having the wrong friends, was almost literally a matter of life and death. As his parents were Jewish, this was even more reason for him to be careful about his friendships.

Blitz chess back then was used mainly for social purposes. But it was precisely unrestrained development of casual friendship, particularly to foreigners, that would have drawn the attention of the secret police.

This negative opinion of blitz chess was simply an outlier. Even Botvinnik's latter Soviet peers such as Tal and Petrosian were fantastic blitz players.

Also keep in mind that due to the lack of increment / delay in time control back then, in practice, one needed blitz or even bullet skills to be able to reach the first time control, often playing the last 10 moves with the flag on the verge of falling. Thus Anand has said of Karpov that Karpov seemed to deliberately run down his clock because Karpov was confident he was superior to anyone blitzing those moves.

Aug-19-17
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  alexmagnus: <Caruana still has a sky high blitz rating>

IIRC it was due to literally <one> good blitz event. He usually strongly underperforms in blitz, at times even falling below 2700 (that being over 2800 in classical!). His lowest was 2665 - ohe same list he had 2797 in classical and 2829 in rapids.

Aug-19-17
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  WorstPlayerEver: <Domdaniel>

Great! But it isn't on topic: ratings.
Now... let's hear it from the boss:

https://www.fide.com/component/cont...

End of "discussion."

Aug-19-17
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  Domdaniel: <Worst> In no particular order...

You're right: the current system began in 2012.

I'm right: there were ratings for 'active' chess in the 1980s (I even had an active rating myself back then).

Er, what 'discussion'? You don't strike me as that kind of guy. You know, synthesis plus thesis equals antithesis, as the Marxians used to say.

Aug-19-17  BOSTER: <Tal and Petrosian were fantastic blitz players>, but maybe more fantastic was G.Chepukaitis.
Aug-19-17
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  WorstPlayerEver: <Domdaniel>

Well, I also played in the 80s. We had only one rating lol.

It could be clubs or even local chess organizations had active chess ratings. Which says very little I am afraid. At least national chess organizations should be involved as it comes to official ratings, obviously.

The top players did not have active chess ratings though. They were rated under their classical rating:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wor...

So yes, I believe you had a rating, but I stand corrected: the "discussion" was already ended; the FIDE has no records of such active ratings afaik. Nor the national chess organizations afaik.

And I really don't understand what you try to accomplish. Otherwise you have to show such ratings. Again: I can't find a single entry on google about such ratings.

Aug-19-17
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  SirRuthless: Caruana is an academic player first and foremost but really, fast chess has less of a place for that skillset than Classical. So much of what he is best at is blunted by clock pressure. You have to play on feel much of the time and making snap judgments and his instincts when he does that tend to lead him wrong because he lacks experience at it and searching for the most correct move is in his nature.
Aug-19-17
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  PhilFeeley: <LameJokes55:
Congrats Aronian for winning the event! He is in great form this year. If he continues, in the same vein, no.1 slot (classical) is no longer safe from his outreach.

The thing, dearest to him, would be a place in the candidates. It would be a pity if he miss out there.>

Ummm... I'm confused. Did he win or Karjakin 13.5 to 12.5? What did I miss?

Aug-19-17
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  PhilFeeley: I get it. You were talking about the combined scores. My bad.
Aug-20-17
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  Dionysius1: <Domdaniel>. I think the Marxians (influenced by Hegel) used to say that thesis gives rise to antithesis, which gets resolved as synthesis. I've never heard your version though!
Aug-20-17
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  morfishine: <Dionysius1> Yes, in the dialectical method https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diale... this explains how society is always improving itself: Thesis + Anti-thesis = Synthesis

I think

or per <DomDaniel> leading with Synthesis, one could suppose:

Synthesis - Anti-thesis = Thesis

*****

Aug-20-17
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  Domdaniel: No, hang on, it's thesis to the power of one over synthesis equals... or, no, wait, the cube of antithesis is the log of... ehhhh. Ooops.
Aug-20-17
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  Domdaniel: The history of 'active' chess as a precursor of rapidplay is actually quite interesting. The high point seems to have been 1988-89 (which is when I had an active rating as well as a regular rating, according to the Irish Chess Union). Active events were held, and rated, in several countries - Ireland, England, and Singapore among them.

This was obviously prior to the internet revolution in chess, and many details of the 1980s movement seem to have been lost. It's not even clear why 'active' chess faded away in the 1990s, until the later revival of rapidplay. Matters are further complicated by the ambiguity of the term 'active'.

This is something that chess historians - more dedicated than me - may want to look at. And it deserves the attention of people other than <Worst>, whose motive in debate seems entirely negative.

Aug-20-17  BOSTER: < SirRuthless> :<Searching for the most correct move is in his nature>. If you compare couple games:
Caruana vs Karjakin (Rapid) rd3 and
Caruana vs Karjakin (Blitz) rd6, you will see that in Rapid game Caruana has plan how to play, but in Blitz you will see Queen's jumping b1-g1
-b1, and bishop's moves f4-g5-f4-g3-f2.This is well known advice:"Don't look for the best move, look for the best plan".
Aug-21-17
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  Domdaniel: <Dionysius> - < the Marxians (influenced by Hegel) >

Good song, though ... "Hegel, Don't Bother Me" ...

Aug-21-17
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  WorstPlayerEver: Pants dropping Irish humor lol
Aug-21-17
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  Dionysius1: Yay! <Domdaniel>
Aug-21-17
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  WorstPlayerEver: <Domdaniel>

Still, you did not give any relevant sources.

"I...." isn't a source.

Aug-21-17
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  WorstPlayerEver: Anyway, I said Kasparov must have the heart of a lion. And I stand corrected.

One must be able to separate cases which are relevant, or which are not relevant, I am afraid.

And trust me, Kasparov secretly follows my comments. Not because I am some blatant narcissist, but a political force to deal with ☺

Aug-21-17  SugarDom: It's okay, my friend. You can sit down while we correct you. You got too many mistakes and it would take a long time, better sit down...
Aug-21-17
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  WorstPlayerEver: <Sugardom>

We were born to make mistakes and learn from it. The latter is what worries me.

Sep-14-17  vesivialvy93: Kasparov looks a bit like Fischer in 1992 , great champs can still beat anyone in the top 10 in the world for 1 game ...will see what future have for this monster , in my opinion in normal time control he still a top 5 in the world !
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