The Chess.com Isle of Man Open was one of the strongest open events in chess history, with top seeds that included Carlsen, Kramnik, Caruana, Anand, Nakamura, Adams, Gelfand, Eljanov, Naiditsch, Short, Rapport, and many more. It had a €133,000 prize fund. ... [more]
Player: Pavel Eljanov
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|Oct-10-17|| ||offramp: About those top GMs taking part in opens,
Daniel Gormally had a bit of a kvetch on Twitter. He said that nowadays even a ~2500 GM like him will have great trouble going to the Isle of Man and coming away with any prize money at all.
If you spend a week in a hotel on the Isle of Man and end up with nothing, that can put a serious crimp on one's spending power.
|Oct-10-17|| ||perfidious: Small wonder even elite GMs will play at IoM: during my playing days, the big events here in USA typically featured a first prize of $15-20 grand, so to see 50,000 Euros for first should bring everyone out of the woodwork. I played in the first three opens at Foxwoods (1999-2001), which were (IIRC) $15k to the winner and one saw perhaps twenty GMs going for the gold.|
While I sympathise with Gormally's predicament, he would have had some difficulties playing in even the swisses I participated in during the 1990s--which were not nearly as strong and deep as IoM--and that line between grinding out a success and winding up on the scrap heap is a fine one indeed.
|Oct-10-17|| ||diagonal: perfidious <Small wonder even elite GMs will play at IoM: during my playing days, the big events here in USA typically featured a first prize of $15-20 grand, so to see 50,000 Euros for first should bring everyone out of the woodwork. I played in the first three opens at Foxwoods (1999-2001), which were (IIRC) $15k to the winner and one saw perhaps twenty GMs going for the gold.>|
Still respect for Carlsen, So, Caruana & Co. facing such open chess challenges during their prime time (ie. Carlsen will earn most of his money with sponsor contracts anyway).
offramp <Daniel Gormally had a bit of a kvetch on Twitter. He said that nowadays even a ~2500 GM like him will have great trouble going to the Isle of Man and coming away with any prize money at all. If you spend a week in a hotel on the Isle of Man and end up with nothing, that can put a serious crimp on one's spending power.>
The other side of the 'money motivation' medal, thanks both!
Concerning Grandmaster Gormally's complaint: today, there are more than 1'500 living chess grandmasters by FIDE, in comparison, in the mid-1950, there were only about 50 grandmasters (including the inactives), twenty years after the title inauguration, in the early 1970s, there have been then maybe 100 grandmasters, meaning in "the good old days", a (comparatively weak) player like Gormally would simply not have become a grandmaster, he never ranked in the Top-100 of the world.
|Oct-10-17|| ||aliasniamor: "Thanks to Wesley...who had to scavenge for bread crumbs in terms of elo while closed invitational organizers turned a blind eye on him...instead...invited Giri who hasn't won a thing. Wesley was and still is, fearless in the open seas...one false move and his elo will nose dive into a deep ravine, a draw will likewise do the same...and a win...hmmmm...you can be the judge. One reason why Magnus shied away from open tourneys to protect his bloated elo...If he really was that good, he should have shown the world like Wesley did. Play against anyone...anytime...anywhere regardless of rating.|
But nope, we all know he just had to hide under someone's skirt for protection...
No matter how it hurts...truth be told."
I probably shouldn't answer to tuttifrutty, but such a post can certainly not be left unanswered to.
1. As you say yourself, Wesley So had a good reason to go in such opens, receiving less invitation than others (partly because he was in the elite for a shorter time I would guess), while Carlsen had many invitations - thus no real reason to swim in open seas.
2. How did Magnus fared in the open tournaments he played in ? As far as I know, he won 2 since he's WC despite participating in not that many tournaments since then, and each time he WON rating points, so I don't see how such experiences would make him "fear" for his elo.
|Oct-10-17|| ||Clemens Scheitz: Hi <aliasniamor>,|
< I probably shouldn't answer to tuttyidioty, but..> You should listen to that little voice in your head, but you didn't. You weak, weak man.
Remember those old words of wisdom...
...DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
You are welcome.
|Oct-11-17|| ||Octavia: many players have jobs or are supported by their parents. For the adults its a chess holiday, for the youngsters its a good learning experience.|
The Berliner Sommer had 500 players quite a few from the UK
|Oct-15-17|| ||Sokrates: Hi, <aliasniamor> - Please listen to <Clemens Scheitz>'s great recommendation. Posts overpraising the unsuspecting modest Wesley So and attacking the world champ with foolish accusations need no comment. They should be ignored.|
|Oct-15-17|| ||tuttifrutty: Wow...Wesley to take part in the candidates 2018... I didn't think he will qualify...he truly disappointed me.|
|Oct-15-17|| ||Domdaniel: I don't believe in *feeding* trolls, but a dose of poison can work wonders.|
<tutti> - Pampered goldflub, flub flub, gasp, choke, aaargh. Thud.
<No matter how it hurts...truth be told>
What this really means is: no matter how pleasurable, tell lies.
|Oct-15-17|| ||tuttifrutty: <No matter how it hurts...truth be told>< What this really means is: no matter how pleasurable, tell lies.>|
Truth be told, I never lie...if I had, it must be an oversight or unintentional...because...truth be told, no one is perfect. So...please point out the error and see if you accusations are accurate...and aren't just a smoke screen or a mirage...and I thank you.
In short...prove it.
|Oct-15-17|| ||tuttifrutty: < I probably shouldn't answer to tuttyidioty, but..> <You should listen to that little voice in your head, but you didn't. You weak, weak man. Remember those old words of wisdom...>|
If everyone listen to your word of wisdom, this place would fall in a name calling contest...such your name implies....poooop!!!
|Oct-15-17|| ||tuttifrutty: <Posts overpraising the unsuspecting modest Wesley So and attacking the world champ with foolish accusations need no comment. They should be ignored.>|
Opinions are just that, like an as*hole...everyone has it....but all are different from one another...
So...I was just stating the obvious...the facts...nothing more, nothing less. The comments may not suit your needs or don't like they way I put words together...or has problem with my style of describing things...but I am not here to please anyone. I advocate honesty and the truth...so if you don't like my opinion...ie as*hole, chew a dog bone.
|Oct-16-17|| ||SugarDom: Is anyone a friend of Tuttifruity here? Please raise your left foot.|
|Oct-16-17|| ||alexmagnus: Of those 1500 living grandmasters a half is either inactive or below 2590.|
|Oct-16-17|| ||alexmagnus: Below 2500, not 2590|
|Oct-16-17|| ||alexmagnus: The number of grandmasters grows naturally already because of it being a lifelong title you keep no matter what happens. We are not yet far enough to witness many GMs dying. BTW most GM titles awarded in a single year happened in 2007.|
|Oct-16-17|| ||moronovich: <SugarDom: Is anyone a friend of Tuttifruity here? Please raise your left foot.
He is were he belongs:On ignore.
Everyday I enjoy not reading his posts.
|Oct-16-17|| ||Sokrates: Dear <moronovich>, Amen! :-)|
|Oct-16-17|| ||john barleycorn: I raised both feet at the same time and simultaneously ... and fell on my arse and not on my head ... free speech for <titifritti> ... ignore is desperation ... do or do not there is no ignore.|
|Oct-16-17|| ||john barleycorn: Recently when talking with the admins:
Q: What to do with "a troll"?
A: Put him on "ignore"!
Q: What to do with "a troll"? I still see his posts popping up in comments of posters who recommend to put him on "ignore".
A: Put "a troll" a second time on "ignore".
Q: I tried but it doesn't work. What to do next?
A: Put every other poster who cites "a troll" also on "ignore".
Q: My "Ignore" list is full. Is there nothing you can do?
A: We did. In order to do nothing ourselves we gave you "the list".
Q: Cannot you enforce your posting guidelines?
A: There you go to the admin's "iggy".
|Oct-16-17|| ||tuttifrutty: <Is anyone a friend of Tuttifruity here?>|
Who need friend like sugardom? You tell me...
But that's besides the point. My presence here does not indicate I'm looking friends...I'm not here to make friends...I don't beg for friends...so whether you all speak to me or converse with me or not, I don't give a flying duck...but one thing for sure, as afforded by the US constitution, I will not be denied to exercise my freedom of speech...
So message to the trolls...in case you forgot to remind yourselves this morning...it's better to have an enemy who honestly says they hate you than to have a friend like sugardom...or a friend who influences you to do something you disagree then secretly smiles and say <I've used you...sucker...> Oh yeah, you know who you are...and shame on you.
|Oct-16-17|| ||tuttifrutty: <Dear <moronovich>, Amen! :-)>|
How sweet it is...lick some more....
As someone put it:
Life is fair...
Life is good...
|Oct-17-17|| ||Domdaniel: <tootlefoot> - <Opinions are just that, like an as*hole...everyone has it....but all are different from one another...>|
Um, just how many orifices did you examine before reaching that conclusion?
|Oct-17-17|| ||starry2013: Some opinions though can be remarkably uninformed, just look at popular music for that, people voice their ignorance with great glee often.|
|Oct-17-17|| ||tuttifrutty: <Um, just how many orifices did you examine before reaching that conclusion?>|
Um......but let me just borrow your words...<I know a lot of stuff. Truly. Take my word on this, as I don't much like showing off.>
So please don't associate me with a rectum inspector or a butt hole doctor... or a butt licker. Please ask the experts... moronovich...sokrates...absentee...shietz...
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