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Champions Showdown: Carlsen-Ding (Blitz G/10) Match

Magnus Carlsen6.5/8(+6 -1 =1)[games]
Ding Liren1.5/8(+1 -6 =1)[games]

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Carlsen vs Ding Liren 0-1472017Champions Showdown: Carlsen-Ding (Blitz G/10)B48 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation
2. Ding Liren vs Carlsen 0-1352017Champions Showdown: Carlsen-Ding (Blitz G/10)A07 King's Indian Attack
3. Carlsen vs Ding Liren 1-0322017Champions Showdown: Carlsen-Ding (Blitz G/10)A07 King's Indian Attack
4. Ding Liren vs Carlsen 0-1722017Champions Showdown: Carlsen-Ding (Blitz G/10)E10 Queen's Pawn Game
5. Carlsen vs Ding Liren 1-0432017Champions Showdown: Carlsen-Ding (Blitz G/10)C90 Ruy Lopez, Closed
6. Ding Liren vs Carlsen  ½-½352017Champions Showdown: Carlsen-Ding (Blitz G/10)E11 Bogo-Indian Defense
7. Carlsen vs Ding Liren 1-0852017Champions Showdown: Carlsen-Ding (Blitz G/10)C78 Ruy Lopez
8. Ding Liren vs Carlsen 0-1652017Champions Showdown: Carlsen-Ding (Blitz G/10)D37 Queen's Gambit Declined
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Nov-13-17
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  john barleycorn: To paraphrase an old comment "the most interesting rapid g/10 contest. White wins one game and black wins the next game"
Nov-13-17  devere: In general the runner-up in the world cup does not merit a candidates tournament slot, only the champion. Ding is likely to finish last in the candidates tournament.
Nov-14-17  Pulo y Gata: With Wesley "The Saling Pusa" So there, this is highly debatable
Nov-14-17  stst: < In general the runner-up in the world cup does not merit a candidates tournament slot, only the champion.>

It depends on:
1. Who's top, who's second?
2. When this statement should be made?

It always seems de facto after the fact.

Now the second statement makes some sense - it's placing a bet... then, let's see...

((As a contra, I'll bet the negation of it.. viz. Ding will NOT be the last. Of course, probably he won't make it the first either - but again, this is a wager.))

Nov-14-17
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  Sokrates: Something about this raises my suspicion or at least consideration. How can Liren perform so poorly when formats get quicker? True, he is up against no. 1 in those disciplines, but this is one of the finalists in the recent World Cup. Liren must play zillions of games exercising his practical skills.

As we know quicker formats requiere quick decisions based on a fundamental understanding of all kinds of positions. Memorising long tails of opening variations is of much lesser importance. My guess is that the mastery of Carlsen draws on the first competance while Liren's success may be founded on the latter. Very roughly spoken, of course. But what else could be the cause of such a remarkable breake-down? Perhaps he is like Caruana, who always performs much below his classical skills in quicker formats.

What is your assessment, gentlemen?

Nov-14-17
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  MissScarlett: Ding actually outperformed his rapid rating, according to https://2700chess.com/rapid by only losing -4 =6.

The Rapid/10 games are treated as blitz, which is a point I was going to make.

Nov-14-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Nigel Short: Perhaps Ding is jet-lagged. I would suggest you need look no further for an explanation of the extremely one-sided score.
Nov-14-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tabanus: http://www.fide.com/component/handb..., Appendix B, Blitz, B. 1: <A ‘blitz’ game’ is one where all the moves must be completed in a fixed time of 10 minutes or less for each player; or the allotted time plus 60 times any increment is 10 minutes or less.> So this is Blitz.
Nov-14-17  ex0duz: No increment is why. It's dumb. Also, he's playing Carlsen.

Even Naka would get spanked by Carlsen in blitz, and that's with increment. I'm guessing Ding never played much without no increment, and also he's never played a match vs someone as strong as Carlsen before..

And like someone said, maybe he's hiding his best stuff for the candidates.

Also, Ding is rated 5th at blitz right now, with 2849, even above Naka who's 6th with 2843.

Guess what Carlsen is? These are his ratings(from live ratings)

Classical = 2837.0
Rapid = 2903.0
Blitz = 2974.0

In blitz, Carlsen is over 100 points higher than Aronian, who's 3rd with 2863, and Karjakin is second with 2889, close to 100 aswell..

And rapid? Carlsen is 70 points higher than second place, while Ding is actually 160(!!!) points below Carlsen! But he almost managed to win 1 game in the 30m rapid, he had a pretty much winning position which i think he would of won if there was increment. Instead he played fast while still having like 8 minutes and didn't bother to check the winning line deeply for obvious reasons and played a 'natural' move.

So based on the ratings, Ding isn't doing too badly, and i think he's doing better than that since it's no increment and i think Carlsen is stronger the faster it is..

I think anyone else who would of taken on Carlsen would of lost just as bad, if not worse. At least Ding won 1 game and had winning positions in other games(1 at least that i know of)

TLDR: Carlsen is just a beast, the faster time controls the more beastly he gets. No increment is dumb, and Ding is probably not used to it, and especially playing a no increment match vs someone like Carlsen, it is probably easy to 'collapse'.

Nov-14-17
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  soldal: Carlsen actually called these games rapid games in the interview yesterday, but they're treated as blitz games in the live ratings, and the current rating of 2974 includes 26 points from the first seven games yesterday:

<Since games played after a match is won are not rated (46.5+ points in #ChampionsShowdown), we deleted the last games played in the Carlsen, Caruana, So matches and 9 games played in Nakamura’s match. Carlsen has a new record in blitz rating - 2974.0.>

https://2700chess.com/

Today the games will start 2 hours earlier.

Nov-14-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: Carlsen is merely welcoming the newest member of the elite club:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLG...

Nov-14-17  Timi: Kind of sad to see this... Usually I don't get envy , but I really don't understand how Carlsen managed to become as strong as an engine. I mean, just look at those moves, it' s like watching Stockfish playing
Nov-14-17  not not: "Ding", o Caissa, sing, man with plan to loom,

slashed king Magnus whom, mashed, and splashed in bloom;

ming bright knight with rook - Wiking is the cook!

Nov-14-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: And there are two games left to play...
Nov-14-17  not not: if he somehow wins Candidates and ties Carlsen in classical games (like Karjakin), this is what he's precisely going to get

and what then? chairman Xi Jinping will send him, Mao-style, to re-educational camp (which should be called de-educational in fact)?

harvesting rice whilst pondering on chess openings, life can't get any better than that!

Nov-14-17  devere: <stst: < In general the runner-up in the world cup does not merit a candidates tournament slot, only the champion.> It depends on:
1. Who's top, who's second?
2. When this statement should be made?
It always seems de facto after the fact.>

The world cup runner-up is largely due to the luck of the draw. This year that was very clear.

Nov-14-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: To the tune of Sing a Song

Sing a Song-The Carpenters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOXw...

Ding, Ding so long
Ding got owned, Ding went wrong
Ding needs good moves not bad
He played crappy, so bad

Ding, Ding so long
It's so simple, Carlsen is just too strong
Don't worry that you're not good enough
To ever beat MC
So Ding, Ding, so long
 
La la la la la la
 
La la la la la la la
 
Ding, Ding, so long
The world knows you don't belong
But Ding would love to win a few
Ding, we are sad for you
 
Ding, Ding so long
It's so simple, Carlsen is just too strong
Don't worry that you're not good enough
To ever beat MC
So Ding, Ding, so long

Nov-14-17  stst: <What is your assessment, gentlemen?>

Easy, according to some gentleman, it's
"largely due to the luck of the draw. This year that was very clear."

So,
poor - of course.
Good, it's "largely due to the luck.."

Nov-14-17  dehanne: You play an immortal one day, and get turned into a fish the next.
Nov-14-17  boz: That was painful to watch at the end. Hard to believe Carlsen could be that much better than Ding. In fact I wouldn't have imagined ANYBODY could be that much better than Ding.

Quite possible his play went downhill at a certain point but Carlsen just seems to play on a higher level. Quicker, deeper, physically and mentally stronger.

Nov-14-17  Timi: boz, yes, your answer takes stock of the situation. In all aspects, Magnus proved to be a superior player. In fact, the first impression I got was that Ding Liren has got a long way to go before reaching Carlsen's level. But you never know, Ding Liren could maybe perform better the next time, we'll see
Nov-14-17  fisayo123: Ding is playing rapid/blitz chess like the other top players while his opponent is playing with the same precision he does in classical chess. . Crazy and strange. We've never seen anything like this before in the history of the game.
Nov-14-17  positionalgenius: << In fact I wouldn't have imagined ANYBODY could be that much better than Ding. Quite possible his play went downhill at a certain point but Carlsen just seems to play on a higher level. Quicker, deeper, physically and mentally stronger.>>

It's almost like Ding is playing the world champion...

Nov-15-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Keyser Soze: <Crazy and strange. We've never seen anything like this before in the history of the game.>

And he better keep that distinction in rapid and blitz.

Basically (with very few exceptions) he has draw odds on his future WCC match defenses.

Nov-15-17  fisayo123: <positionalgenius> you can't be serious. No world champion played the way Carlsen played in this match. Not even Fischer or whoever you want to mention

<Keyser> I don't see any exception with this inhuman level of play.

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