Played in London, England 1-11 December, as the fifth and final leg of the Grand Chess Tour 2017. The ten participants played nine games at classical time control for a total prize fund of $300,000. The event was won by Caruana after four tiebreak games* vs Nepomniachtchi. Official site: ... [more]
Player: Fabiano Caruana
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|Dec-12-17|| ||john barleycorn: < tuttifrutty: Fried chicken loaded with steroids...>|
Ok, Andok's? Chookstogo? Max's or Savory?
|Dec-12-17|| ||BOSTER: <John barleycorn>.Thanks.|
|Dec-12-17|| ||tuttifrutty: <but a cold assessment tells me that neither he nor any of the others will be able to push Carlsen off the throne.>|
Not so fast...your assessment is real cold to the bone...it's affecting your thyroid.
Lemme tell you...you haven't been taking note lately...so here are the FACTS that you missed.
Wesley was beaten by the top players.
Can you see what I see??? Can you see the sun rising slowly???
If not, heads up...Wesley is learning how to beat them back.
First, it was Aronian who beat Wesley at ease and them bam!!...wham!!...found the solution and Wesley went on to beat him back like he was alpha zero...
Second, it was Naka style that worried me the most but again, Wesley found the formula and made Naka shut his hole...on his birthday...once and for all.
Then...it was Anand time to be given a nice birthday present on the penultimate round of this tourney...who Wesley made him look like a patzer with his la bamba dancing knights...
Soon it will be the rest of the field turn to get spanking...as Wesley thrive to study his opponents by implementing Bruce Lee's rule number one...the art of war number one rule...KNOW YOUR OPPONENT. Slowly but surely we are now seeing the results...give him time...and he will deliver as prophesied...the heir to the throne.
|Dec-12-17|| ||tuttifrutty: I did not include Kramnik on the list as Wesley beat him at the get go...much like Nepo...|
|Dec-12-17|| ||john barleycorn: <tuttifrutty: ...
Can you see what I see??? Can you see the sun rising slowly???
If not, heads up...Wesley is learning how to beat them back. ...>
Yeah, good luck and eventually in 20 years.
|Dec-12-17|| ||tuttifrutty: Uh huh...Wesley will never need luck like Magnus...to show who the boss really is...and is coming soon at a theater near you.|
|Dec-12-17|| ||tuttifrutty: <Wesley was beaten by the top players.
7. Caruana >
So now...can you see the trend???
Who could be the next???
|Dec-12-17|| ||john barleycorn: <tuttifrutty: ...and is coming soon at a theater near you.>|
Yeah, and the title is:
<how I almost became a challenger and never happened to be <So>>
|Dec-12-17|| ||AylerKupp: <<tuttifrutty> So now...can you see the trend???>|
There are trends and there are trends, and you clearly don't know the meaning of "trend". OK, let's look at a <REAL> trend. These are So's average ratings (to smooth out the rating fluctuations somewhat) at classic time controls for each quarter from 2015 to 2017 and his average rating gain and loss from the previous quarter:
2015-Q1 2779 -
2015-Q2 2781 (+2)
2015-Q3 2777 (-4)
2015-Q4 2767 (-10)
2016-Q1 2773 (+6)
2016-Q2 2773 (0)
2016-Q3 2771 (-2)
2016-Q4 2792 (+21)
2017-Q1 2817 (+25)
2017-Q2 2816 (-1)
2017-Q3 2804 (-12)
2017-Q4 2788 9-16)
So has a terrific 2016-Q4 and 2017-Q1. During that period he was playing the best chess in the world and his rating went up an incredible 46 points. He won 5 out of the 6 tournaments he entered and was part of the gold medal-winning US Team at the 2016 Olympiad.
But all hot streaks end sometime, and since 2017-Q2 to 2017-Q4 he's lost 28 points and not won any major events. And the rate by which he's losing rating point is increasing, although he did gain 4 rating points at the 2018 London Classic. Let's hope that this represents the start of a reversal of form. But he's now within 18 rating points of where he started in 2016-Q3, a rating more indicative of his actual relative playing strength than the rating he enjoyed during his hot streak in 2016-Q4 and 2017-Q1.
<So> now ... can YOU see the <REAL> trend???
|Dec-12-17|| ||not not: Giri's devious plan of planting chip in the head of Nakamura worked perfectly: having taken control over the mind of once ferocious tactician, Giri steered all his games into draws from his dutch lair, thus taking next step closer to implementing new chess world order of imperturbable drawmasters overtaking top tournaments. Is there a James Bond figure to stop him? Where is Tal (who'd rather loose than draw) when you need him? Where is Morozevich? Where Topalov? O, sancta simplicitas! O, fortunatam natam!|
|Dec-13-17|| ||tuttifrutty: <<So> now ... can YOU see the <REAL> trend???>|
Yes I do, I see Wesley finding ways to beat these elite players one by one...and take my word for it... Magnus is...next.
|Dec-13-17|| ||tuttifrutty: Haha...the last time I check the meaning of trend it says to be concise...<change or develop in a general direction.>|
Just because you go to a fashion show every now and then, doesn't mean that's the trend I was referring to.
What you failed to mention was that...while the rest of the field were being pampered, Wesley was by his lonesome...with the aid of a dinosaur pc by his room all alone. You failed to mention that Wesley has just started playing against the elite...where as...Magnus and company has played against each other countless times. Just for starters...Naka vs Magnus...
<Classical games: Magnus Carlsen beat Hikaru Nakamura 12 to 1, with 23 draws. Including rapid/exhibition games: Magnus Carlsen beat Hikaru Nakamura 33 to 14, with 41 draws. Only rapid/exhibition games: Magnus Carlsen beat Hikaru Nakamura 21 to 13, with 18 draws.>
<Magnus Carlsen beat Levon Aronian 14 to 7, with 33 draws. Including rapid/exhibition games: Magnus Carlsen beat Levon Aronian 27 to 19, with 54 draws. Only rapid/exhibition games: Magnus Carlsen beat Levon Aronian 13 to 12, with 21 draws.>
After 2 player against Magnus, I lost count.
Now...can you see while his elo is up there??? He has been beating the same players over and over and over and over again and again to infinity.
I command you search the rest of the field games against each other and present it as evidence of my claim, pronto...and I am quite sure that I will be vindicated by the judge and the jury.
|Dec-13-17|| ||tuttifrutty: <So has a terrific 2016-Q4 and 2017-Q1. During that period he was playing the best chess in the world and his rating went up an incredible 46 points. He won 5 out of the 6 tournaments he entered and was part of the gold medal-winning US Team at the 2016 Olympiad.>|
Again...you failed to mention he won the gold on board 3 too. Can you be accurate sometimes??? I hate to see your intelligence go to waste because of attention to detail deficiency.
|Dec-13-17|| ||Sokrates: Thanks, <AylerKupp> for another brilliant score of facts by your hand. Unfortunately - and you should know that - it is wasted on the poster to whom it's addressed. Just like you can't convince a religious person with arguments of science.|
|Dec-13-17|| ||tuttifrutty: <Thanks, <AylerKupp> for another brilliant score of facts by your hand.>|
This... is a chilling assessment, brought to you lacking sufficient resources...meaning, a novel without imagination...pffft.
|Dec-13-17|| ||Kapmigs: While it is true that Carlsen has been beating the same players over and over again, it is equally obvious that So has been drawing the same players over and over again.|
|Dec-13-17|| ||not not: Giri, Leko and Kramnik enter the bar to find Nakamura sitting at their table with picture of Slechter in his hand.|
|Dec-13-17|| ||WorstPlayerEver: <Just like you can't convince a religious person with arguments of science.>|
Arguments of science? Science itself has no arguments. Which you probably did not realize, when you wrote such nonsense.
I suppose you mean the logic of scientific arguments. That logic tells me, ironically, that one can't convince a religious person.
Simply because science denies the concept of a conscious moderator when it comes to general existence. Et voilá! There you have YOUR *logic*
In comparison to the *logic* of a religious person, who denies a random factor, considered general existence.
Ironically, it's the same factor *random*, which is declared as the holy grail by our *logically* operating scientists regarded to that same existence.
Beware: it's not that both camps have any REASON, whatsoever, to make a call on reality with their claim. Go figure how pathetic it is!
It's just like two kids yelling yes! and no! to each other when they are having an argument.
And you're just one of those kids. Btw... it's YOUR turn, if I am correct..
|Dec-13-17|| ||Sokrates: <WorstPlayerEver> Wow, what a hurricane of words! I am slain to the ground gasping for air. You are obviously making comprehensive efforts to insult me, but - sorry to disappoint you - it doesn't work. |
I have read your response a couple of times to understand its substance - but I failed. Probably because I am not at your high level, so please bear with me.
|Dec-13-17|| ||WorstPlayerEver: <Sokrates>
Well, it's pretty low level, actually.
Usually when people are insulted by someone who gives an alternative vision, it simply means they have no argument.
|Dec-13-17|| ||Sokrates: <WorstPlayerEver: <Sokrates>
Well, it's pretty low level, actually.
Usually when people are insulted by someone who gives an alternative vision, it simply means they have no argument.>
I hesitate to reveal my codex in such cases, but here you go: It takes a person of great calibre to insult me.
|Dec-13-17|| ||AylerKupp: <<tuttifrutty> Yes I do, I see Wesley finding ways to beat these elite players one by one...and take my word for it... Magnus is...next.>|
At this level any player can defeat any other player, even Carlsen. So is certainly a top player and will eventually defeat Carlsen in a classical time control game, just like Nakamura eventually did. That's not a trend, that's perseverance and the rules of probability And I wonder where or when you looked up the definition of "trend". Clearly you just didn't understand it since what I showed by looking at So's quarterly rating averages was a <change in a general direction>. Which apparently you failed to see.
And you obviously failed to mention that So might have been by his lonesome some time ago, just like all top players when they were getting started, but he isn't any longer. His rating continues to fall even though he is now also a "pampered goldfish". Maybe it started to fall once he began to play against the elite? That's certainly a possibility.
And I can see how you lost count after 2 players against Magnus. You always had difficulty counting once the count reached high numbers.
You "command" me? Ha, ha, ha, don't make me laugh. We've been down this road before. You're just too lazy and inept to collect and present pertinent data so you "command" others to do it for you. Ha, ha, ha.
Mentioning that So won gold on board 3 seemed like a relatively small accomplishment compared to winning 5 of the 6 tournaments he entered. That's not inaccuracy, that's omission of less important details so not to distract from his more important accomplishments. Or did you think that winning gold on board 3 (even though he was the 2nd highest US player behind Caruana) was a more significant accomplishment than the tournament wins?
And don't worry about my intelligence going to waste, worry about yours.
|Dec-13-17|| ||AylerKupp: <Socrates> Yes, I know that trying to point flaws in <tuttifrutty>'s "reasoning" is a waste of time, he simply doesn't have the capacity to understand what you're trying to say.|
At any rate, he's just a troll trying to elicit a response from others. But from his virulent and nonsensical overreaction to my previous post it's clear than in this instance the troll has been goaded into the reaction that he himself was trying to elicit. So he didn't even get the effect that he wanted. Ha, ha, ha. What a silly person he is, just like the other <So>bots. Too bad that such a fine player like So is associated with such mindless "supporters".
|Dec-13-17|| ||zanzibar: <<Sokrates> Wow, what a hurricane of words! I am slain to the ground gasping for air.>|
Not wanting to fan the flames too much, but I do have to admire the above literary flourish.
|Dec-13-17|| ||WorstPlayerEver: <I hesitate to reveal my codex in such cases, but here you go: It takes a person of great calibre to insult me.>|
Lol it that case it can't be me :P
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