The great traditional tournament at Wijk aan Zee features Carlsen, Caruana, Giri, Hou Yifan, Jones, Karjakin, Kramnik, Mamedyarov, Matlakov, So, Svidler, Wei Yi, Adhiban, and Anand. ... [more]
Player: Viswanathan Anand
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|Jan-21-18|| ||keypusher: <ChessHigherCat: The big mystery to me in this tournament is where are MVL and Aronian and Nepo? They would have been much better choices than Adhiban or Gawain or Hou.>|
Perhaps the most boring parlor game at cg.com is (i) pick whoever is at the bottom of the crosstable at the tournament du jour (ii) lament that those clowns are playing instead Super-GMs X, Y, and Z.
One of the nice things about Tata is that they don't just try to replicate the top of the rating list. It's a mixed tournament with more decisive games, more openings variety, more excitement, and yes, more mistakes. If you had your way we'd basically be redoing London Chess Classic (2017).
And people would be complaining, in a very boring way, about how bored they were, and the ennui would be such as to threaten the very fabric of the internet with unstoppable entropy.
|Jan-21-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: But what's with MVL and Aronian? Are they convalescing at the Magic Mountain Sanatorium? It must be horribly stressful with everyone counting on you to become world champ so I can understand if they need a break but personally, I would have preferred Fedoseev, Rapport and Morozevich to any of those three.|
|Jan-21-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: <keypusher> Weren't you the guy who was just asking the boring question of whether Hou belonged here?|
|Jan-21-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: P.S. I don't know or care about the rating list, I just know whose games I like. I would love to see Shirov and Topalov, too, although their ratings have probably dropped a lot since their prime.|
|Jan-21-18|| ||keypusher: <ChessHigherCat: <keypusher> Weren't you the guy who was just asking the boring question of whether Hou belonged here?>|
No, I <answered> it.
|Jan-21-18|| ||keypusher: <CHC> PS -- I love them too, but MVL and Aronian scored a combined +1-1=16 at London.|
|Jan-21-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: <keypusher: But the question isn’t whether she’s likely to win Tata (or other supertournaments ), but whether she has any business being there. Much lower standard.>|
You answered it like I did, which is why I wasn't crazy about the selection.
|Jan-21-18|| ||JPi: Mamedyarov and Giri are doing a great tournament by their result and their games. Carlsen is doing as usual getting all his energy for the last rounds. Kramnik seems in force too. However I will not be surprised that after Caruana and Wei gifts, So will finish at the top.|
|Jan-21-18|| ||Willem Wallekers: Just before the start of this tournament my newspaper published an interview with Hou Yifan in which she told she isn't a real chess pro but gives priority to her academic study in economics and more or less hinted that she wasn't fully prepared for the tournament.
One might ask wether a semi amateur should get an invitation to the Master Group.|
|Jan-21-18|| ||CowChewCud: All those who haven't played Yifan Hou yet are waiting for their turn, to improve their tournament score.|
|Jan-21-18|| ||CowChewCud: Yifan is smart. There isn't a lot of juice left in Women's tournaments, so it doesn't make much sense to invest so heavily in chess - especially once she is edged out by the next great female chess player. Not many care about Women's #2, #3 etc.|
Unless she can pull off a Judith Polgar - perhaps even more than that is required - she is better off choosing an alternative career path.
|Jan-21-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: |
<Willem Wallekers: One might ask wether a semi amateur should get an invitation to the Master Group.>
Good point. BTW, have you ever heard of this guy? He's sort of a bogeyman here in Costa Rica, they even have a national holiday celebrating his defeat:
William Walker (filibuster) - Wikipedia
William Walker (May 8, 1824 – September 12, 1860) was an American physician, lawyer, journalist and mercenary who organized several private military expeditions into Latin America, with the intention of establishing English-speaking colonies under his personal control, an enterprise then known as "filibustering".
|Jan-21-18|| ||jphamlore: There's really not that much money playing in chess unless one is at the very top like Carlsen, male or female. |
Giri might actually be the last player to break through to the super-GM level for a decade. And even he has options I believe to return to university. Ding Liren just earned his law degree and has options as well.
I predict all the rising Indian chess prodigies will do a Negi and go to university.
It's not clear to me how players like Wei Yi, Fedoseev, Rapport, and Duda will ever break through to get consistent invites to the very top money-making events.
|Jan-21-18|| ||LucB: <perfidious: <CHC>, one of the three whom you named--believe it was Adhiban--won B group last year, so was an automatic qualifier.>|
Fyi: Jones is the automatic qualifier, not Adhiban. Tata Steel (Challengers) (2017)
The latter won 2 years ago. Tata Steel (Group B) (2016)
|Jan-21-18|| ||abhishikt: and Adhiban finished third last year, so his invite is justified.|
|Jan-21-18|| ||abhishikt: Tata Steel (2017)|
|Jan-21-18|| ||tessathedog: Agree entirely with <keypusher>. Tournaments with a mix of strengths produce much more interesting games and competitive challenges than 100% elite tournaments. Wijk an Zee has the balance just right. Cats always get it wrong.|
|Jan-22-18|| ||Tal1949: Yeah, I agree too. Games with interesting results are better than the draw-fest at London. But, of course, the winner needs to play sparkling chess as well.|
Hopefully Giri or Carlsen can put the hammer down now.
|Jan-22-18|| ||stst: <and Adhiban finished third last year, so his invite is justified...>
Roughly half of this class is sub-par, but given them some chance to learn and gain experience is sort of mercy...at the expense of the fans...
|Jan-22-18|| ||stst: <...Cats always get it wrong.>
Half cats, half dogs... quite a good mix?!|
|Jan-22-18|| ||jphamlore: Giri generally does not play drawish openings. He's not looking to end a game in 15 moves. His game is often one of the last games still occurring during a round.|
What happens is Giri with excellent opening preparation and play reaches a position where there is risk making a move that could finish off an opponent. He knows his limits of calculation and chooses a safer move with some advantage, and then against the very best opponents the advantage proves insufficient.
I find it ironic his former trainer Tukmakov has recently written a book about this very subject.
|Jan-22-18|| ||Boomie: The remaining schedule for the 3 leaders. Giri appears to have the best pairings.|
Round 9 - Tuesday the 23rd
Matlakov, Maxim - Giri, Anish
Anand, Viswanathan - Carlsen, Magnus
Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar - Kramnik, Vladimir
Round 10 - Wednesday the 24th
Giri, Anish - Karjakin, Sergey
Carlsen, Magnus - So, Wesley
Svidler, Peter - Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar
Round 11 - Friday the 26th
Caruana, Fabiano - Giri, Anish
Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar - Carlsen, Magnus
Round 12 - Saturday the 27th
Giri, Anish - Adhiban, B
Carlsen, Magnus - Matlakov, Maxim
Jones, Gawain C B - Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar
Round 13 - Sunday the 28th
Wei, Yi - Giri, Anish
Karjakin, Sergey - Carlsen, Magnus
Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar - Anand, Viswanathan
|Jan-22-18|| ||Gregor Fenrir: <ChessHigherCat: The big mystery to me in this tournament is where are MVL and Aronian and Nepo?>
Aronian and MVL will play in Tradewise Gibraltar Masters 2018 tournament. Starts on 23th January.|
|Jan-22-18|| ||happyjuggler0: Also playing in Gibraltar are Nakamura, Ivanchuk, Duda, Rapport, and of course many others.|
Comparing the prize funds for the two overlapping tournaments, perhaps the better question is why any of the top players are playing in the Tata Steel tournament. I can think of two answers:
1) Fewer players competing for those Tata Steel prizes.
2) Appearance fees at Tata Steel paid to the top players.
|Jan-22-18|| ||Everett: How was Judit doing at Yifans age?
Also, always wondered how a women’s menstrual cycle may affect competitive focus. Couldn’t find anything re: Judit in this regard. She would likely never admit to such a concern, I imagine.
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