The 2018 GRENKE Chess Classic is a 10-player round-robin held in Germany from 31 March to 9 April. The first 3 rounds are in Karlsruhe alongside the GRENKE Chess Open, then after a rest day the last 6 rounds are in the Kulturhaus LA8 in Baden-Baden. The field features World Champion Magnus Carlsen and fellow Top 10 players Fabiano Caruana, Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, Vishy Anand and Levon Aronian, as well as women's no. 1 Hou Yifan. The time control is 100 minutes for 40 moves, then 50 minutes for 20 moves and ... [more]
Player: Magnus Carlsen
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|Apr-17-18|| ||Howard: Sally Simpson's right! There are FIVE Fischer games in that book---Fischer-Larsen 1971 was the one I'd overlooked.|
That game, by the way, has some out-of-date analysis in at least two places. But, then Speelman didn't have Stockfish back in those days.
|Apr-17-18|| ||Once: <morfishine: I would like to clear up that confusion since if nothing else, chess demands and epitomizes accuracy>|
Well, yes and no. Chess itself may demand accuracy, but chess terminology is notoriously inconsistent and subjective. One person's Spanish Game is another person's Ruy Lopez.
I think you will find that many of the "misuses" are different interpretations of terms that do not have a single definition.
|Apr-17-18|| ||AylerKupp: <<Once> Well, yes and no. Chess itself may demand accuracy, but chess terminology is notoriously inconsistent and subjective. One person's Spanish Game is another person's Ruy Lopez.>|
If you haven't seen it, I suspect that you might enjoy my "discussion" of opening names in Fischer vs Smyslov, 1965.
|Apr-17-18|| ||morfishine: <Once> Well, no disrespect, but yes and no. What I was referring to were terms for tactics (or from the original post, a simple position concerning what constitutes a complex) which are precisely defined and leave no room for interpretation (deflection/decoy/overload/exchange sac/sham sac, to name a few).|
But you are correct about openings. These are murky, combining terms from the White Side with opening names for the Black side. This can definitely be very confusing and leaves these titles very much open to interpretation (especially when one introduces "transposing")
|Apr-17-18|| ||Pedro Fernandez: Well <Aylerkupp>, <morfishine> and <Once>, in scientific/math/mechanics papers what we do is adding up people who are contributing in a specific matter, why don't do the same in chess? About opening and defence I think that is clear in chess. If we put say ``Moscow'' opening/defence to certain variation, what if there are a few chess players who are from Moscow and they are contributed on the same opening/defence? As far as Spanish or Ruy López opening it are synonymous and I don't see any problem at respect.|
|Apr-18-18|| ||Sokrates: <As far as Spanish or Ruy López opening it are synonymous and I don't see any problem at respect.> What do you mean by "synonymous", <Pedro>? They cover the same opening, sure, but the names are not the same, just like "Giuoco Piano" doesn't exist in, say German and my language.|
Further, there have always been disputes about certain, more unusual openings. What is the name of 1.b4 and 1.b3? I call the first Orangutang (because it sounds more funny to me than Sokolsky) and the second Larsen's Opening (because I like my late compatriot), but I am sure some would disagree.
English has now become the common language for chess openings and literature. But when most English literature used the old descriptive notation, I for one highly preferred German literature because of its use of Algebraic notation. When they finally came to senses and used that notation, one could enjoy the wealth of English chess literature. I am sure the publishers have enjoyed that too! :-)
|Apr-18-18|| ||morfishine: More Planinc fun: C Sumiacher vs A Planinc, 1971|
|Apr-18-18|| ||Pedro Fernandez: Hi <Sokrates>, thanks for you reply, indeed I appreciate it. Well, in that case I mean by 'Synonymous' a clear one-to-one correspondence between Spanish opening and Ruy López opening. As far as 'Giuoco Piano' there is not in Deutsch, of course not like an aperture and they use perhaps something like 'Italienische Eröffnung' or 'Italienische Schachöffnung', I must confess I never knew the exact term which is used in Germany for this opening. But for me it is clear that it is a 'ruhiges Spiel' (speaking generically, of course!) . For sure you can best clarify me at respect as your mother tongue is a North Germanic language, isn't it? Greetings friend!|
|Apr-18-18|| ||Sokrates: Hi <Pedro>,
LOL to the "North Germanic language". Some Danes would be offended, thinking it has something to do with Germany :-), but there is clearly a kinship between the Nordic languages and the German variants (German, Dutch, Friesisch etc.) English is sort of a mixture between German, Roman and Celtic langue families, I think.
Yes, it means a quiet game, although Giuoco games often tend to become the opposite. And it is indeed called Italienisch in German (Italiensk in Danish). Language history is exiting, it was once a part of my education (MA in literature) but that's ages ago.
It is thrilling that chess sports an abundance of expressions that must appear completely incomprehensable and even enigmatic to those who don't play the game. Names like Kings Indian Defense, Caro-Kann, Sicilian Dragon must sound weird.
|Apr-18-18|| ||whiteshark: <Pedro Fernandez / <Sokrates <ruhiges Spiel>>> |
Richter/Teschner described it as a "ruhige Entwicklungsweise", saying that it's unjustly called <Stumpfsinnvariante> (stupor variation) in Schacheröffnungen - Der kleine Bilguer, 5th ed., Berlin 1970, p. 132
Is <das stillste Spiel> really the right name asked Emil Gelenczei rhetorically in 200 neue Eröffnungsfallen, Berlin 1982, p.22.
|Apr-18-18|| ||Pedro Fernandez: <<Sokrates> LOL to the "North Germanic language"...> Sorry my buddy, I think you know very well I am unable to say something derogative against some people, and much less against any Country. Indeed I'm sorry. My ancestries are French-Germanic (e.g. Hugo-Frasser), Scottish (Thorn) and, of course! mostly Spanish. My first Spanish ancestry, Orlando Fernández de Contreras, for my father, was born in the Pedroche Province, Córdova, Spain, and he was sent to America by mandate of the King of Spain (Philip II, I think), in order to placate the natives but without blood. That was in 1534! This is a little "cursi", sorry! And yes, agree! it's a 'quiet game'. Greetings my dear friend!|
|Apr-18-18|| ||Pedro Fernandez: Thanks a lot <Sharky> for your well aimed intervention. <Sokrates> is a great friend <Sharky>, greetings!|
|Apr-18-18|| ||Tiggler: <frogbert: Form, for most chess players, is temporary. Consistency over time is rear. There are 7 long months until the WC match starts. :)>|
Form, IMO, is a total myth and distraction. A player on a winning streak is "in form", but a player on a losing streak is "out of form". In either case, the criterion is retrospective. It tells nothing about what they will do next week, let alone in seven months time.
|Apr-18-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: <Consistency over time is rear.>|
And thus the importance of Sitzfleisch!
|Apr-19-18|| ||alexmagnus: <Opening names>|
The examples so far at least can lead to no confusion.
But consider Indian defenses in Russian. Kings Indian is Old Indian, Queens Indian is New Indian, and Nimzo-Indian is simply Nimzowitsch Defense. To my knowledge, all three Russian names apply to completely different openings in English.
|Apr-19-18|| ||frogbert: <Tiggler: Form, IMO, is a total myth and distraction. A player on a winning streak is "in form", but a player on a losing streak is "out of form". In either case, the criterion is retrospective.>|
To me, that's just finer semantics. I didn't mean to imply that «form» is an independent quality. But a few players seem to perform more consistently than others. Some players are more streaky, changing from excellent performances in a couple events before dropping to sub-par performances in others. I see nothing wrong in applying the simple word/term form to describe this fluctuation in performance. The rating list reflects the players average level of performance in their latest hundred games or so, with a slightly higher weight on their most recent games if their level of play hasn't changed exceptionally much in that period of time.
|Apr-19-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: <<Tiggler: Form, IMO, is a total myth and distraction. A player on a winning streak is "in form", but a player on a losing streak is "out of form". In either case, the criterion is retrospective>|
Just because something is unpredictable doesn't make it a myth. The myth is that punters can objectively predict the outcome based on past performance with anything like 100% certainty precisely because of unpredictable realities like differences in form/health/mood, the influence of external events (e.g., Aronian's marriage, illness, etc.), not to mention different rates of progress. Life is full of unpredictable factors that are as real as anything else.
|Apr-19-18|| ||morfishine: <ChessHigherCat> Tiggler appears to be in good form|
|Apr-19-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: Yes, he has apparently been doing his butterfly presses, which consist in tossing that black butterfly from one shoulder to the other.|
|Apr-19-18|| ||Everett: <Just because something is unpredictable doesn't make it a myth. The myth is that punters can objectively predict the outcome based on past performance with anything like 100% certainty precisely because of unpredictable realities like differences in form/health/mood, the influence of external events (e.g., Aronian's marriage, illness, etc.), not to mention different rates of progress. Life is full of unpredictable factors that are as real as anything else.>|
|Apr-19-18|| ||Everett: <Tiggler> do you play live competition of any sort? Do you not have variances in performance?|
|Apr-21-18|| ||Tiggler: <Everett> Thanks for asking. Yes, of course, though it is a quite a while since I actually appeared in a live OTB tournament.|
<morfishine> Thank you for the comment about my good form. Does this mean we are friends again? Not that we will be liplocking in the john, of course.
<ChessHigherCat> You read my bio! Thanks for that, though I know it needs revision and updating.
|Apr-21-18|| ||Tiggler: <frogbert> Semantics is all we kibitzers are good for, not so?|
|Apr-21-18|| ||morfishine: Dear <Tiggler> I have taken you off my ignore list|
I am making an effort to uphold gentlemanly standards at all occasions
Good day sir, best always, morf
|Apr-21-18|| ||Tiggler: <morf> I stopped putting anyone on ignore a while ago, except for Overgod and MissScarlet, of course.|
No fun reading people who are never annoying.
Same best regards to you, sir.
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