The 43rd FIDE World Chess Olympiad took place from 24 September to 5 October 2018 in Batumi, Georgia. The biennial tournament was an 11-round Swiss open, with one rest day on 29 September. The Open section featured 185 teams from 183 countries, with the 919 players including almost the whole world chess elite, and there was also a Women's section: ... [more]
Player: Arturs Bernotas
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|Oct-13-18|| ||Sokrates: Very interesting read, <sonia91>, thanks for bringing it to our attention. While perhaps not intuitively agreeing with all Mr Filatov's assessments, I kind of like his honest, direct, and seemingly unbiased approach.|
|Oct-13-18|| ||HeMateMe: <Norway Chess New Format: Armageddon After Each Draw>|
Geez, this is a bit odd. Maybe it can raise interest, who knows? It certainly favors the younger people, and specialists in speed chess. Somehow I don't think this is going to catch on, because it really skews tournament results. older players might avoid such tournaments unless they are given an appearance fee.
|Oct-13-18|| ||SugarDom: Great move with the Armageddon. Chess is dying, because people refuse to innovate and are contented with the endless boring draws.|
|Oct-13-18|| ||starry2013: Does anyone know what time control the armageddon even is yet? More points for a win is probably the easiest way to encourage results, but if someone is too scared of losing rating they will play for draws anyway.|
|Oct-13-18|| ||That Roger: <starry2013>
I have asked something like this before, but have the most powerful computers and engines ever been ran to find certain wins, are there such things as undefendable lines (whether 50 moves or 100)? I mean games that the top computers play against each other, or the best engine against itself. Or is technically every move white makes theoretically drawable by black? I wonder what the number of undefendable lines there are.
I guess it wouldnt even work if there was such a thing to say, you cant play these lines because they have extremest high probability of being drawable, because there could be win lines that grow from the same starting branch as a draw line, and players can 3 fold whenever unsure.
i wonder if the points will be the same, if the tie break blitz will count as a full win, or take place of draw points? Or in between old draw and win, I dont know because the game was first and foremost drawn, so then should the player that ends up, winning the drawn game, get full win points? It seems like players could aim to play for draw with 50ish% chance of winning blitz if they are more comfortable in that
|Oct-14-18|| ||That Roger: <That Roger>
If there was a single undefendable line (that could be memorized, lets say 50-100 moves) chess would be ruined, because that line would just be played everytime? Does this imply there are none, because it would have been discovered and this would have occurred? That if black was Elo 9000, and white was Elo 9000, and white played 99999999999... lines in that many games, theoretically all those lines are drawable by black? Are there a a series of 50-100-200 moves white can make that if black were to try 9999999999 different defensive move orders and strategies, black could not draw?
|Oct-14-18|| ||wych: <Diademas: Using a well known, and undeniable, physiological feature connected to orientals in order to shoehorn it into a fairly known meme, may not be the pinnacle of comedy, but I'm having a hard time finding it offensive or prejudicial.>|
So would making fun of "hook-nosed Jews" or "thick-lipped Negroes" be inoffensive in your book?
|Oct-14-18|| ||Diademas: <wcyh: So would making fun of "hook-nosed Jews" or "thick-lipped Negroes" be inoffensive in your book?>|
Depends on context.
If it's mean spirited and ment to be derogatory, than yes.
If, like in this case, it's an attempt to flog an old meme to death, than no.
Did you find it offensive?
And in case you did - why?
|Oct-14-18|| ||saffuna: Could you give examples where "hook-nosed Jew" or "thick-lipped Negroes" is not offensive?|
|Oct-14-18|| ||perfidious: When spoken or written by <kudzu dumpty>.|
|Oct-14-18|| ||Diademas: <saffuana> OK.|
|Oct-14-18|| ||Pedro Fernandez: Fortunately <That Roger> chess is not a ``Tic-tac-toe'' game. Moreover, chess programs have opened new possibilities never thought before the development of computers. Greetings!|
|Oct-14-18|| ||Diademas: < Diademas: <wcyh: So would making fun of "hook-nosed Jews" or "thick-lipped Negroes" be inoffensive in your book?>
Depends on context.
If it's mean spirited and ment to be derogatory, than yes. If, like in this case, it's an attempt to flog an old meme to death, than no. Did you find it offensive?
And in case you did - why?>
Just for clarity; the words yes and no got mixed up in my tired little brain. So it somehow came out exactly the opposite of what was intended.
|Oct-15-18|| ||Pedro Fernandez: LOL <Diademas>! …"my tired ``little'' brain"? Your brain is 1270cc more or less (about 3lbs weight), and I can't figure out how is a ``tired brain''. Greetings!|
|Oct-15-18|| ||That Roger: <Pedro Fernandez>
Maybe you did, but im not sure if you answered my questions. Do you think there is a series of moves white could make that a theoretically perfectly knowledgeable black Elo 999999.. could not draw? |
Either you think every possible line white can play can be drawn by black with the correct moves, or you think there exists line/s white can play that are guaranteed wins.
|Oct-15-18|| ||That Roger: <saffuna>
<Could you give examples where "hook-nosed Jew" or "thick-lipped Negroes" is not offensive?>
Look at that kind, charitable, lovely, awesome, beautiful hook-nosed jew (must benefit him in an increase of fresh air filtration, how fortunate!) give all those watermelon to those lucky thick-lipped negroes, women love thick lips, and they must really help with savoring all those succulent juices.
|Oct-15-18|| ||Absentee: <SugarDom: Great move with the Armageddon. Chess is dying, because people refuse to innovate and are contented with the endless boring draws.>|
The death of chess has been trumpeted for a century and a half, yet to this day it has inexplicably failed to croak.
|Oct-15-18|| ||wych: <Diademas: <saffuana> OK. https://www.haaretz.com/1.4991201>|
I don't think that's a good example of what <saffuana> was asking for.
What Halle Berry apparently said was merely "Here's where I look like my Jewish cousin!". It seems she got flak even for that, but the Haaretz guy did indeed "cut" her "some slack"; rightly so, I think.
However, suppose that instead she had said "Here's where I look like a hook-nosed Jew!". Do you think he would have been as forgiving?
|Oct-15-18|| ||Diademas: <wych: <Diademas: <saffuana> OK. https://www.haaretz.com/1.4991201>
I don't think that's a good example of what <saffuana> was asking for.|
What Halle Berry apparently said was merely "Here's where I look like my Jewish cousin!". It seems she got flak even for that, but the Haaretz guy did indeed "cut" her "some slack"; rightly so, I think.>
Well, <Saffuana> did not come back to me, and what I read out of this is that its inoffensive and therby fulfilling my obligation. Seems like you want me to fail. Ok, I'll try again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOx...
<However, suppose that instead she had said "Here's where I look like a hook-nosed Jew!". Do you think he would have been as forgiving?>
I really don't know, my best guess is yes.
I have now answered all your questions swiftly and to the best of my abilities, a gest that had not been reciprocated. Let me remind you:
<Did you find it offensive?
And in case you did - why?>
|Oct-15-18|| ||saffuna: "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever."|
|Oct-15-18|| ||Diademas: < saffuna: "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever."
Yes, it is. And sometimes I may cross that line, but I don't think I did it here.
|Oct-15-18|| ||Pedro Fernandez: My dear <That Roger>, I never did try to answer your questions. My reply was purely informative. It is known that the number of reasonable chess games is about 10^40! So I'm sure that no one knows the answer to your questions. Okay, that huge rating you did mention it is hypothetically not possible, IMO. Greetings!|
|Oct-15-18|| ||That Roger: <Pedro Fernandez>
If you had to guess, which would you lean towards? Every possible line of white has a drawable line for black? Or there is at least 1 guaranteed winning white line? If the latter how has it not been found yet? When a aprox. 3000 elo engine plays aprox 3000 elo engine, and one wins, why do pros not just use that winning line (considering the defender used superhuman moves and lost)? |
And considering in those super engine vs super engine games, they use limited time, if ever winning game is then studied, computed, engined, to see if there were better moves black could have made, and what would have then been the best white response, this method could be used to at least using some decent sample size of super engine vs super engine games, and then taking more time after for super engines to judge each move, to see if there is in, close to fact, an undefendable winning line
|Oct-16-18|| ||chessgames.com: Can anyone confirm how many games are missing from the Open and/or Women's sections for this Olympiad? The vast majority (for both sections) should already be in the database—except for some forfeits which had zero moves, or perhaps a few stubs which had a very small number of moves. |
Someone has asserted that the database is missing "at least half of the Olympiad games" for the 2018 tournament. We'll re-check the official PGN files, but the claim strikes me as an exaggeration...
|Oct-16-18|| ||Diademas: <chessgames.com: Someone has asserted that the database is missing "at least half of the Olympiad games" for the 2018 tournament>|
That "someone" has a rather poor fact checking ability. There are downloaded 4016 games from this tournament (open).
Rather an impressive number given that only 3997 games were played!*
So there may be some double entrees.
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