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|Nov-23-18|| ||sonia91: <Olavi> After I pointed out the mistake in the comments, they corrected the article. It was not a poor choice of the words, CB was simply clueless, it's not the first time alas. In previous WWC reports they wrote Tokhirjnova was from Turkmenistan and Abdumalik from Uzbekistan... In older articles they wrote the top 14 finisher of the 2018 European Women's Championship qualified for the 2019 KO championhip (!), in 2013 they wrote Petrosian Memorial was held in Tashir instead of Moscow (Tashir was the name of the sponsor!), in 2015 Maria Kursova was the 2013 European women's champion. I sent them countless emails in over 3 years...|
However, surely it's the first time a women's world champion defends her title in a different format in the same year. Ju is overall the third who manages to win the Women's World Championship in different formats: Xie Jun won the match in 1999 and the KO WWC in 2000, while Hou Yifan first won the KO championship in 2010 and then defended her title in a match in 2011.
|Nov-23-18|| ||Olavi: <sonia91:>
I'm happy to stand corrected, although I'm not convinced that publishing the correction means they were clueless in this case. Instead of "This was the first time a player defended her title in a knockout tournament." it would have been correct to write something like "This was the first time a player defended her knockout tournament title." Even if that's not the clearest way of putting it.
That said, I have sent Chessbase emails about their mistakes only in the crassest cases. The writer Pereira is free lance, but still they should do fact checking. Vlastimil Hort is hopeless.
|Nov-23-18|| ||sonia91: <This was the first time a player defended her knockout tournament title> Actually Ju won her first world title in a match vs Tan Zhongyi (winner of the 2017 KO) earlier this year. |
Johannes Fischer and Macauley Peterson (the new editor-in-chief of the English-language version of CB, who previously worked for Chess24) are the ones who amend the articles if someone points out a mistake. That said, ChessBase covered this event more extensively than chess.com and chess24 did.
|Nov-23-18|| ||Olavi: Right, I was completely mistaken.|
|Nov-23-18|| ||optimal play: Congratulations to Ju Wenjun on winning the Women's World Championship.|
At least Kathryn Hardegen can say she was only beaten by the World Champ!
|Nov-23-18|| ||botvinnik64: Congratulations to WJ Ju - losing only one classical game in such a knock out format is impressive! I can’t see anyone beating her for quite some time.|
|Nov-24-18|| ||Tabanus: The about 60 tiebreak games are still dubbed "Classical". The four tiebreak games from the final are not included.|
Who will send 61 correction slips?
|Nov-24-18|| ||sonia91: Jovanka Houska, who writes reports for chess.com, is clueless too:|
<As the first woman to retain her title in a knockout tournament, Ju Wenjun of China won the 2018 World Championship [...]>
|Nov-24-18|| ||sonia91: IM Wei Ming Kevin Goh twitted:
That is why we need neutral commentators - the non-stop slacking of Ju Wenjun for her play in the tiebreaks by the official commentators is extremely startling and disrespectful. #WWCC2018
03:51 - 23 Nov 2018
@GMIan Rogers Nov 23
Replying to @IM_Kevin_Goh
Indeed, it was amazing that Morozevich could not be bothered to find out who the Chinese captain GM Yu Shaoteng was, even though he admitted to seeing him every day (and Kosteniuk thought he might be an IM). But calling Ju's play "anti-chess" was simply disgraceful. #WWCC2018
Kevin Goh @kevingohwm Nov 23
Indeed, Yu Shaoteng made GM 14 years ago and led the Chinese team to the gold medals just a few months ago. To label him as “some IM” is embarrassing to say the least.
Dr. Richard Ingram:
Replying to @IM_Kevin_Goh
Morozevich speculating on who the person was that congratulated Ju Wenjun ("I always see him," etc.), was completely uncalled for, as was his allegation that the Champion "refused to play chess."
Kevin Goh @kevingohwm Nov 23
I can understand why Morozevich might not know who he is but surely Kosteniuk would, since she was right there when China took the gold medals 😀
Dr. Richard Ingram @ringram4mad 24 hours ago
It was the way Morozevich wondered aloud about the man's level of chess-playing ability that I found troubling. Taken together, his remarks suggested there was a sinister reason for the presence of Ju's compatriot. At least Kosteniuk came close to correctly identifying him.
|Nov-24-18|| ||JimNorCal: I saw one broadcast. The commentators were openly pro-Lagno. If it's a Russian broadcast I don't see a problem. If it was a more "official" show, for example FIDE sponsored then yes, a more neutral tone is called for.|
|Nov-24-18|| ||JimNorCal: GM Ju got the last word, in any case. She won|
|Nov-24-18|| ||AylerKupp: <JimNorCal> The only "official" FIDE broadcasts are those from AGON. All the others are from commercial companies which, I suppose, can be as objective or as unobjective as they want.|
I saw both the USCF broadcast of Carlsen vs. Caruana featuring Seirawan, Shahade, and Ashley and the <chess24.com> broadcast of Ju Wenjun vs. Lagno featuring Morozovitch and Kosteniuk and I don't think that Morozovitch and Kosteniuk were any more pro-Lagno than Seirawan, Shahade, and Ashley were pro-Caruana. But I didn't mind either. Then again I wasn't rooting for either Carlsen or Ju Wenjun.
|Nov-24-18|| ||AylerKupp: <markz>, <saffuna> No, the 10+10 games are the "Blitz" games and the 25+25 games are the "Rapid" games. Whether they should be labeled "Blitz" or "Rapid" at those relatively slow time controls is a different issue. I'm used to Rapid games being 15+15 and Blitz games being 5+5 but that's my problem, not FIDE's.|
|Nov-24-18|| ||JimNorCal: Yeah, I thought 5-min was blitz, 10-min was rapid and 25-min was quick.|
Hard to keep up ...
|Nov-24-18|| ||SChesshevsky: It probably isn't a big surprise that with a basically Russian sponsored tournament with two Russian broadcasters and with one or both personally knowing one of the participants who happens to be playing for Russia, there would be some noticeable bias. And, after all, they aren't professional broadcasters but simple chess players.|
I'm also going to cut Morozevich and Kosteniuk some slack on knowing a lot about the Chinese coaching/captain details. Apparently, there are numerous coaches floating around and often interchanging and forming new teams for the players. Now with so many Chinese GMs and IMs, keeping the faces and names straight without some sort of study or constant contact probably isn't all that easy.
There also seems to be limited exposure to Chinese chess in general. At least in the West. I couldn't find any substantial video on the May women's championship match or the Karpov - Hou match or really any of the interesting chess events in China. Which is kind of annoying.
|Nov-25-18|| ||markz: <AylerKupp: <markz>, <saffuna> No, the 10+10 games are the "Blitz" games and the 25+25 games are the "Rapid" games.>|
FIDE thinks 10+10 games are "Rapid". For example, many 10+10 games had been played in world cup 2017, and they were counted in players' rapid ratings not blitz ratings.
|Nov-25-18|| ||SometimesGood: Moro is the nicest guy and say the truth it's hard to follow Chinese names and faces. For Europeans all Asians look the same. I don't blame them at all. Sometimes it is irritating, but c'est la vie. I accept it and not frustrated. It's a simple science; European faces have more variety, whereas Asian faces with narrow eyes don't give as much of variety for whites' eyes. I can spot the difference between Japanese and Chinese people. But whites have hard time; it's totally normal. They grew up in a world without so much variety as it is now.|
|Nov-25-18|| ||JimNorCal: In the one video I watched, I would say that Moro was going along and that Kosteniuk was more fierce.|
Perhaps Katja is a personal friend, perhaps Kosteniuk is a more emotional person in terms of personality.
I didn't feel anti-Ju statements so much, just disappointment that GM Lagno was not able to win.
It's interesting about being able to detect differences within populations. Whites are surprised how hard it can be for Asians to see differences in Europeans. Whites have different color hair and eyes, some differences in skin color and the body shapes can be extreme (height, weight). Chinese people have no trouble distinguishing among themselves despite having same hair color, eye color and many having similar body shapes.
|Nov-25-18|| ||sonia91: <JimNorCal> Did you see the video of the final tiebreaks?|
|Nov-25-18|| ||JimNorCal: sonia, this one
|Nov-26-18|| ||SChesshevsky: There probably has been some misinterpretation of Morozevich's view of Ju's chess.|
I think throughout the broadcasts and even through his career Moro never tried to hide his dislike of passive, counter punching type chess. He seems to believe that style is not what chess is meant to be.
It appears that Moro just doesn't feel that winning by making safe, solid moves until the opponent goofs is an honorable win. Though he obviously realizes that it does score points.
For example, I think it was in a M. Muzychuk R and N vs. R won tiebreak that should've been drawn where he didn't seem to even consider it a win. I believe saying something like only if you care about ratings points.
So Morozevich's comments about Ju's chess might not be related much to her ability or effectiveness but more about her style.
|Nov-26-18|| ||Tabanus: The four "Classical" tiebreak games of the final are now added.|
|Dec-01-18|| ||sonia91: <Report by Jovanka Houska (with photos): https://www.chess.com/news/view/ju-...|
I don't see why chess.com should be privileged by cg.com; they often steal works and explanations from Wikipedia (youngest GMs list) and even Reddit (!) without citing them and also from other chess sites, also chess.com covered this event less extensively than ChessBase and is less willing to fix mistakes in their articles...
|Dec-01-18|| ||JimNorCal: Is the chess.com link supposed to work?|
|Dec-08-18|| ||Tabanus: I can certainly refer to ChessBase more. Hopefully the links to them incl. to the photos are now long-lasting.|
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