The 2019 Tata Steel Masters was a 14-player round-robin, taking place from 12-27 January. For its 81st edition, the tournament boasted six Top 10 players, including World Champion Magnus Carlsen and former champions Vladimir Kramnik and Vishy Anand. As well as the traditional venue in Wijk aan Zee, the rounds 5 and 10 were played in Alkmaar (16 January) and in Leiden (23 January). The time control was 100 minutes for 40 moves, followed by 50 minutes for 20 moves, then 15 minutes for the rest of the game, wi ... [more]
Player: Magnus Carlsen
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|Jan-23-19|| ||whiteshark: It doesn't look like he still believes his talk that he just wants to have fun.|
|Jan-23-19|| ||jith1207: Very much agreed, Dion.|
|Jan-23-19|| ||Kaspablanca: Anyone can have a bad tournament but the Kramnik`s case is ridicolous, the worst performance of his chess career, it looks like Kramnik thrown the game against Vidit.|
|Jan-23-19|| ||Kaspablanca: <Dionysius1>Then by your argument the best player in the world was ineed the world champion until FIDE ratings in 1970? Do you really think if Caruana passes Carlsen in the elo rating that mean the American is better than the Norwegian?|
|Jan-23-19|| ||saffuna: The worst tournament by a top player I can remember is Gata Kamsky at Linares 1991, 2.5/13. But Kamsky was sixteen years old and playing in one of his first big round-robin tournaments.|
|Jan-23-19|| ||Dionysius1: No, <Kaspablanca>. Until FIDE ratings came in we didn't know who the best player was, and the World Championship was the nearest we could come to answering the question. With zonals and interzonals and candidates, it was pretty thorough, but nothing like as precise as Elo.|
|Jan-23-19|| ||jphamlore: And for one game versus Anand the Magnus Carlsen who could grind games to a win returns. Welcome back.|
|Jan-23-19|| ||AylerKupp: <<Sally Simpson> No, we have to give the current Champion a chance to defend his title.|
And he would certainly get his chance if he's good enough to (a) qualify for the Candidates Tournament and (b) finish in one of the two top spots. All that my suggestions do is force him to <earn> the privilege of defending his title without either preventing him from doing so or giving him an advantage to do so.
|Jan-23-19|| ||Sokrates: Great victory by Carlsen today. In his "old" style. Plus 4 with Anand and Mamedyarov on the score is impressive.|
<Dionysius1> I think you underestimate the fascination of having a world champion, but that's subjective, of course. I agree with you on your description of the present time format. I have suggested a quicker time format, something between classics and rapids. But it's highly unlikely that the chess world would abolish the classic time format, regardless of the resulting tie in the last two championship matches.
|Jan-23-19|| ||AylerKupp: <<kappertjes> I don't see what would be gained by replacing the current champion-defends-against-challenger system with one where two challengers?/candidates? battle for a title.>|
What would be gained is denying the defending champion the advantage of being seeded directly into the WCC title match and the previous challenger the advantage of being seeded directly into the Candidates Tournament without either of them being required to participate in the Candidates Tournament qualification process. That would make it fairer for the other players, in case that's a consideration.
<I would feel highly cheated if Carlsen got dethroned by a tournament and, say, a Giri-Karjakin match.>
Why would you feel cheated? If Carlsen or any other defending champion gets dethroned by failing to qualify for the Candidates Tournament then the Candidates Tournament organizers would still have the discretion of qualifying him by means of the wild card entry, if they think that it would be advantageous of them to do so (i.e. increasing interest in the tournament and possibly increasing their profit).
If Carlsen or any other defending champion gets dethroned after qualifying for the Candidates Tournament by whatever means they do that as a result of two other players outscoring him in the Candidates Tournament, what would be wrong with that? It would mean that <during the timeframe of the Candidates Tournament>, these were the two best players. And isn't that the idea of the WCC title match, to have the two best players slug it out for the title?
|Jan-23-19|| ||AylerKupp: <zanzibar> Thanks for the link to the interview with Daniel Freeman.|
|Jan-23-19|| ||AylerKupp: <<Dionysius1> I don't think we need a World Championship to determine who's the best player in the world. We've got Elo ratings for that. If we want a world championship for marketing purposes or to have an exciting event, then fine. >|
But I think that's the point; we want a marketable event to increase the interest in the game, inject some suspense into the results, and allow organizers and players to make some money. Without these events to spice things up chess would be even less popular than it is now. Besides, there would be one less thing for us to argue about!
|Jan-23-19|| ||JimNorCal: At the conclusion of Round 10, the standings include these players at the top:|
Congrats MC, perhaps starting to pull away.
|Jan-23-19|| ||john barleycorn: Amazing to find Giri among those who still could win as he never seemed to be that close to win anything. But then ... I have my doubts about that brat ...|
|Jan-23-19|| ||kappertjes: <AylerKupp> Denying the WC the advantage of being seeded directly into the WCC title match is the proposed solution. The gain then is that is would be 'fairer'. Fair is relative, since MC had to do the same once upon a time. The proposed solution would sure increase everyone's odds of becoming a WC.|
<If Carlsen or any other defending champion gets dethroned after qualifying for the Candidates Tournament by whatever means they do that as a result of two other players outscoring him in the Candidates Tournament, what would be wrong with that?>
If MC ended this Wijk 1/2 a point behind say Nepo and Giri, I would find that weak proof of the superiority of Nepo/Giri for the title match. The same goes for that candidate tournament. Rating lists would probably be superior, but then why even bother playing the match? Rating 1 eoy = WCC.
<Why would you feel cheated?>
It would be anti-climactic to end championships with a bad tournament. This is merely me repeating my previous statement ofc, but it is hard to explain. Perhaps in the end I feel the duel is essential in chess and Kings should go out with a duel. The proposal is too much like having a prime minister and everyone getting their turn to be one. I'm all for representation, but let the martial element reign supreme. Besides, the easier it is to become WCC, the less prestigious it will be.
|Jan-23-19|| ||rogge: <ohn barleycorn: Amazing to find Giri among those who still could win as he never seemed to be that close to win anything. But then ... I have my doubts about that brat ...>|
Tata Steel (2018)
|Jan-23-19|| ||john barleycorn: sorry, <rogge>, I forgot this one.|
|Jan-23-19|| ||rogge: No worries, you are right, in principle ;)|
|Jan-23-19|| ||Diademas: < rogge: No worries, you are right, in principle ;)>|
The absolute worst way to be wrong!
|Jan-23-19|| ||rogge: Ha ha, true dat :)|
|Jan-23-19|| ||An Englishman: Good Afternoon: Carlsen 7.0, Giri 6.5 according to the official website. They play each other in the last round. Can. Not. Wait.|
|Jan-23-19|| ||SueursFroides: Jorden plays some very interesting attacking games!|
|Jan-23-19|| ||SometimesGood: Excepted more from P.R. he was winning today and missed simple tactics. today it was a marvelous day with nice tactics. Masadogloo, Rapport, Vidit. only Magnus was boring and magnificent. oh yes, Anish game was marvelous.|
|Jan-23-19|| ||john barleycorn: if only CG could honour this event with a correct tournament standing.|
|Jan-23-19|| ||Diademas: < john barleycorn: if only CG could honour this event with a correct tournament standing>|
You are surely living in a make believe world!
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