The 2019 Cairns Cup was a 10-player round-robin tournament taking place from 6-15 February in the St. Louis Chess Club, USA. Players received 90 minutes for 40 moves, followed by 30 minutes to the end of the game, with a 30-second increment starting from move one. No draw offers were allowed before move 30. ... [more]
Player: Valentina Gunina
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|Feb-15-19|| ||PhilFeeley: I wouldn't have predicted Paehtz to be last.|
|Feb-15-19|| ||parmetd: I think MVL and Svidler.|
|Feb-16-19|| ||Olavi: <Everett: <Most world champions were brilliant annotators - Alekhine, Euwe, Botvinnik, Karpov, Kasparov, Kramnik and Anand come to my mind - but others rarely made the effort. To BE a chess genius and be able to transform it in a communicative way doesn't seem to be the same.>
Karpov was never considered to be a great annotator.>|
Karpov's first games collection, up to 1977, is an excellent book IMO. Mednis even put it (together with Chess at the Top 1979-1984) above Kasparov's The Test of Time - for the reader who wants to improve his/her own chess. There is more wisdom, even if he wasn't too scrupulous with his variations
|Feb-16-19|| ||morfishine: IMO <Anand> is a very entertaining, funny and self deprecating commentator when going over his own games in post mortem. I wonder how he'd do annotating other's games? I imagine quite well|
|Feb-16-19|| ||HeMateMe: Thanks Rex S for another great tournament!|
|Feb-16-19|| ||Everett: Anand discussed the latest WC match. Think it’s on YouTube|
|Feb-16-19|| ||HeMateMe: what about <Breaking Through> written by the three Polgar sisters. I assume they annotate their own games--is this book worth a look?|
|Feb-16-19|| ||Sokrates: Hi, <HeMateMe>, Just FYI, those who subscribe to NiC got a Christmas present: Charles Hertain "Strike Like Judit! - The Winning Tactics of Chess Legend Judit Polgar". A great 256 pages book with an abundance of highlights by this Wonder Woman of chess. As I mentioned, Judit's column in NiC proves that she's a brilliant annotator and analyst.|
|Feb-16-19|| ||HeMateMe: ah, I'll look for that one, thanks. A shame she's retired from chess. I think like Kasparov, Polgar decided when she had peaked it was time to bow out.|
|Feb-17-19|| ||Sally Simpson: ***
"Who do people think are the really good (written) annotators working today?"
Nigel Short has a popular following over at N.I.C. and now he has stopped writing for them...in his own words:
"A fear that my elevation to FIDE VP would constrain my independence, was the reason given."
Some say they are going to cancel their sub or write a protest to the editor.
|Feb-17-19|| ||Sally Simpson: ***
Following on the theme of the week. I've just been catching up on my Edward Winter.
C.N. 11215 "‘The greatest annotator who ever lived"
It's a shout for Paul Keres.
"‘Keres is profound, analytically sound, most readable and instructive....."
|Feb-17-19|| ||Sokrates: <Sally Simpson> Ouch, bad news. I liked reading Short's witty and eloquent musings in NiC. We know he is always very subjective and biased, but he always fights with his visor open, and his viewpoints are refreshing and to the point.|
I also understand the disposition by the NiC, though. Integrety is paramount, and Short's position HAS changed, even if it would make no difference to his writings.
|Feb-17-19|| ||Sally Simpson: ***
I too think Nigel would have been perfectly able to change hats when writing his piece but the next least bit of controversy would have invited the po-faces to add "..if this is the views of FIDE then it's a poor reflection etc..etc.."
Not that I agree in anyway with NIC but this is possibly their stance. As another tweeter put it, they would rather give us computer analysis of a Carlsen 100 move ending than rock the boat.
Staying with the theme, also from Edward Winter C.N. 11226 and a note from Jan Timman, we are now onto the worst writer:
"Bjelica was known as a gutter journalist who wrote books that were full of printing errors and plagiarisms."
|Feb-17-19|| ||LameJokes: |
Chess engine gives annotation during live games on chessbase. The annotation is so good, it's hard to tell that no human is involved.
Although I don't know which engine is used.
Can we rate annotation of different engines as we do with humans? Well, it's possible.
First let all the engines give their annotations.
This raises possibility, engines could occupy pride of place in the commentary box. Of course, they won't give human analysis. Only computer ones.
|Feb-18-19|| ||Sokrates: <This raises possibility, engines could occupy pride of place in the commentary box. Of course, they won't give human analysis. Only computer ones.>|
And they are as exiting as tables of logarithms! :-)
|Feb-18-19|| ||moronovich: <This raises possibility, engines could occupy pride of place in the commentary box. Of course, they won't give human analysis. Only computer ones.>|
I would prefer the episode from "Send him
on a banana boat" with D.Trump.
|Feb-18-19|| ||ChessHigherCat: I think good commentators like Seirawan are much more helpful than ongoing SF analysis, or at least they're more entertaining, because a computer can never understand what's difficult for humans to grasp or what's "counter-intuitive" or "surprising"and react emotionally . Only a human expert can do that.|
|Feb-18-19|| ||HeMateMe: I like both human and 'bot analysis, and then have the humans dissect and speak on what the bots have determined.|
|Feb-18-19|| ||AylerKupp: <<LameJokes> Chess engine gives annotation during live games on ChessBase. The annotation is so good, it's hard to tell that no human is involved.>|
I don't think that it's the engine (e.g. Fritz 16) making the annotations but the Playchess module available from ChessBase. At least that's what it looked like from this article: https://en.chessbase.com/post/autom....
I looked at earlier ChessBase annotation articles such as the video provided as part of https://en.chessbase.com/post/how-t... and the remainder of that post as well as other earlier articles and I got the impression that in earlier versions the annotations were done by hand by a human. Sure, the computer can help a lot by digging into its database and coming up with previously played games using the same sequence of moves, the won-draw-loss statistics from each position in the game, and an engine's evaluation of the position after each move. From the latter it can also come up with reasonable alternatives variations to the moves actually played.
But the "annotations" are not being done by the engines, they are being done by the Playchess module using, in part, information provided by an engine. So it wouldn't be possible to rate the "annotations" provided by different engines, just by the Playchess module. And, since different engines will provide different position evaluations and even different evaluations each time they evaluate a given position, it would be really hard to determine which "annotation" is best.
But that's just an opinion of how I think it works. If anyone knows better, I would certainly enjoy and appreciate an education on the subject.
|Feb-19-19|| ||LameJokes: <This raises possibility, engines could occupy pride of place in the commentary box. Of course, they won't give human analysis. Only computer ones.>|
Of course, engines wouldn't sit alongside human commentators.
Human commentators tell us, they don't look into engine analysis while commentating. I believe them.
Therefore, we would need separate boxes for either of them.
|Feb-19-19|| ||LameJokes: |
<AylerKupp:> Yeah. It may not be engine. What I meant was some kind of machine be it engine, computer, program or whatever.
Thanks for the links and your inputs. I always read your articles about computers, engines, statistics and everything else with great interest.
|Feb-19-19|| ||BOSTER: <AylerKupp>.If your Q. is:can modern engines, including artificial, annotate? I'd say Yes.|
|Feb-19-19|| ||BOSTER: To understand how computer can annotate we have to answer what do analysis mean, and the possibility computer to explain chess ideas.No doubt that computer can talking about feeling the pos, and what the weather in your city.|
|Feb-20-19|| ||BOSTER: <In TchessPro just click on the moved, when list pops up look at the bottom left on the screen and you will see "Annotatins">.|
|Feb-20-19|| ||BOSTER: Should be "Annotations".|
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