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🏆 Norway Chess (2019)

  PARTICIPANTS (sorted by highest achieved rating; click on name to see player's games)
Magnus Carlsen, Fabiano Caruana, Levon Aronian, Wesley So, Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, Viswanathan Anand, Shakhriyar Mamedyarov, Alexander Grischuk, Ding Liren, Yu Yangyi

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Norway Chess (2019)

The 7th edition of Altibox Norway Chess was a 10-player round-robin featuring World Champion Magnus Carlsen and six more of the world's Top 10 players. It took place from 3-15 June in the Clarion Energy Hotel (Rounds 1-6) and Stavanger Concert Hall (Rounds 7-9) in Stavanger. Classical games were worth 2 points for a win, but in case of a draw players got half a point and played an Armageddon game for the remaining point. Players received 2 hours for each classical game, with a 10-second increment only after move 40. No draw offers were allowed until move 30. In the Armageddon games White had 10 minutes to Black's 7, with a 3-second increment from move 61. In case of a draw the player with Black got the full point. If there was a tie for first at the end of the tournament a 3+2 blitz playoff would take place. (1)

Magnus Carlsen won with 13,5 points, ahead of Levon Aronian and Yu Yangyi.

Elo 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 So-B Euros 1 Carlsen 2875 ** ½1 2- ½0 ½1 ½1 ½1 ½1 ½1 2- 13½ 75000 2 Aronian 2752 ½0 ** ½1 0- ½1 ½1 ½1 ½0 2- ½1 10½ 48 32500 3 Yu Yangyi 2738 0- ½0 ** ½1 0- ½1 ½1 ½1 2- 2- 10½ 45.5 32500 4 Caruana 2819 ½1 2- ½0 ** ½0 0- ½1 2- ½0 ½1 10 45.5 19000 5 So 2754 ½0 ½0 2- ½1 ** ½0 ½0 ½1 ½1 ½1 10 39.5 19000 6 Ding Liren 2805 ½0 ½0 ½0 2- ½1 ** ½0 ½0 2- ½0 8½ 17000 7 Anand 2767 ½0 ½0 ½0 ½0 ½1 ½1 ** ½1 0- ½1 8 32 15000 8 Vachier-Lagrave 2779 ½0 ½1 ½0 0- ½0 ½1 ½0 ** ½1 ½1 8 30 15000 9 Mamedyarov 2774 ½0 0- 0- ½1 ½0 0- 2- ½0 ** ½0 5½ 18 12500 10 Grischuk 2775 0- ½0 0- ½0 ½0 ½1 ½0 ½0 ½1 ** 5½ 14 12500

Category: XXII (2784). Chief arbiter: Anemone Kulczak.

Official site: https://norwaychess.no/en/. ChessBase: https://en.chessbase.com/post/norwa... Chess.com: https://www.chess.com/news/view/alt... TWIC: http://theweekinchess.com/chessnews...

Previous edition: Norway Chess (2018). Opening Blitz tournament: Norway Chess (Blitz) (2019)

(1) https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-t...

 page 1 of 4; games 1-25 of 79  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Ding Liren vs W So 1-0352019Norway ChessD35 Queen's Gambit Declined
2. Aronian vs Grischuk 1-0502019Norway ChessA20 English
3. M Vachier-Lagrave vs Yu Yangyi 0-1392019Norway ChessA28 English
4. Mamedyarov vs Caruana 1-0712019Norway ChessA45 Queen's Pawn Game
5. Carlsen vs Anand 1-0432019Norway ChessA21 English
6. Aronian vs Grischuk  ½-½352019Norway ChessA36 English
7. M Vachier-Lagrave vs Yu Yangyi  ½-½432019Norway ChessC42 Petrov Defense
8. Ding Liren vs W So  ½-½352019Norway ChessE04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3
9. Mamedyarov vs Caruana  ½-½322019Norway ChessA28 English
10. Carlsen vs Anand ½-½582019Norway ChessD39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation
11. Grischuk vs W So ½-½552019Norway ChessA07 King's Indian Attack
12. Yu Yangyi vs Ding Liren 1-0562019Norway ChessE32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
13. Grischuk vs W So  ½-½152019Norway ChessC67 Ruy Lopez
14. Caruana vs M Vachier-Lagrave 1-0602019Norway ChessB97 Sicilian, Najdorf
15. Yu Yangyi vs Ding Liren  ½-½442019Norway ChessE00 Queen's Pawn Game
16. Anand vs Mamedyarov 0-1342019Norway ChessB31 Sicilian, Rossolimo Variation
17. Aronian vs Carlsen ½-½682019Norway ChessB31 Sicilian, Rossolimo Variation
18. Aronian vs Carlsen 0-1432019Norway ChessB31 Sicilian, Rossolimo Variation
19. M Vachier-Lagrave vs Anand  ½-½402019Norway ChessC78 Ruy Lopez
20. M Vachier-Lagrave vs Anand  ½-½322019Norway ChessC78 Ruy Lopez
21. Ding Liren vs Caruana 1-0772019Norway ChessA45 Queen's Pawn Game
22. W So vs Yu Yangyi 1-0662019Norway ChessC42 Petrov Defense
23. Carlsen vs Grischuk 1-0342019Norway ChessD85 Grunfeld
24. Mamedyarov vs Aronian 0-1312019Norway ChessA28 English
25. Anand vs Ding Liren 1-0272019Norway ChessC50 Giuoco Piano
 page 1 of 4; games 1-25 of 79  PGN Download
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Jun-16-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  soldal:

<Using the numbers in the tournament standings, the Magnus win looks a lot closer:

M Carlsen: 10.5/16 = 65.63%
Yu Yangyi: 9/14 = 64.29%>

Using the correct cross-table at the top:

Carlsen 13.5/18 = 75%
Yu 10.5/18 = 58.3%

Jun-16-19  BOSTER: There is a big difference between Grand Chess tour, where is fighting only for money, and Grand Prix tour, where is fighting to play in Candidates, really for WC title. Ding Liren declined the invitation to play in Grand Prix tour, so he can take place in Candidates only by rating.
Jun-16-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sokrates: Hi, <AylerKupp> I think it doesn't have to be "either-or" but rather "both-and", when it comes to the mix of first and second tier players.

It is nice, once or twice a year, to have a tournament with the absolute elite - get a sense of the current placement between them. But there are many advantages - as you mention - of having mixed tournaments, where new talents can get their weapons whetted and we shall see, whether the elite actually still is the elite. Moreover the dynamics of different strengths often spark more daring, interesting games - we have seen that.

So, I am all in for a diversity of tournament formats and mix of players. Nothing is more trivial than conforming repetition.

Well, that's it from me for a while. Tomorrow morning it's off to the beautiful city of Wien/Vienna and its neighbor Graz. Auf wiedersehen!

Jun-16-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  moronovich: <Well, that's it from me for a while. Tomorrow morning it's off to the beautiful city of Wien/Vienna and its neighbor Graz. Auf wiedersehen!>

På gensyn-auf wiedersehen-au revoir-viel
spass !

Jun-17-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <<soldal> Using the correct cross-table at the top: Carlsen 13.5/18 = 75%, Yu 10.5/18 = 58.3%>

Yes. <chessgames.com> seems to have a some trouble keeping the Tournament Standings up to date and accurate while the tournament is going on and even some time after it completes. It's clear that with 9 rounds to be played and a maximum score of 2 points per round, the maximum number points is 18. So don't put too much faith on it.

The crosstable shown above matches the final standings from the official site, https://norwaychess.no/en/results-a... and so it's likely to be correct. As an aside, it shows Aronian taking 2nd place over Yu Yangyi due to his higher Sonnenborn-Berger score, 48.0 vs. 45.5.

But a great performance by Yu Yangi regardless to finish in 3rd place due to the tiebreakers given that he was the lowest rated player in the tournament.

Jun-17-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  soldal:

Well, the first thing to realise is that the box called "Tournament Standings" at the top of the page does not necessarily reflect the real standings, and is not really meant to do so. cg.com is a database of chessgames, and the table is an automated result of the games put into it, with 1 and 0 points or 2x1/2 points for each game, irrespective of the tournament point system. In many open tournaments players can get a half-point, and even a whole point, in a round without actually playing a game. These points will not show up in the table (which regularly results in heated discussions about the hopeless admins failing to give us the correct standings).

And yet, although I know this very well, during this tournamant I've each day cast a quick glance at the table and wondered why it always was lagging behind the actual situation. So I was happy to correct <diceman>'s 10.5/16 = 65.63%

Then I turned off the computer and went to bed. Almost immediately I was hit with the explanation of the discrepancy. All games, classical and armageddon, are treated the same way of course, with traditional points! In my head I checked with Carlsen's results: 2 wins and 7 draws in classical, that's 5.5 points, and 6 wins and one loss in armageddon, that's 6 points, for a total of 11.5 points in 16 games. 11.5/16 = 71% and some, not 65%. At least I was right in implying that the table was wrong.

Waking up this morning, another fact dropped down in my head: in armageddon a black draw is a win. So, Carlsen must have had two black draws among his six wins, which would explain his 10.5 points. I haven't cared to check this out, I'm sure the table is technically correct (even if Carlsen offered a draw in a completely won game and there undoubtedly are other similar results).

Jun-17-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Winners of Norway chess final standings prediction contest at my forum: <alfamikewhiskey>♔♕♕ <Keyser Soze>♔♕♖, <Penguincw>♔, <chessmoron>♖♖, <lostemperor>

Next tournament Grand Chess Tour June 26 https://grandchesstour.org/2019-gra...

Jun-17-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: No one is perfect.
Flaws are commonplace and that applies to Magnus Carlsen as well. But winning seven consecutive tournaments in different chess disciplines is still quite the feat. No other player in the top ten has accomplished that.
Jun-17-19  fabelhaft: Top six at the moment are all 28 years or younger.
Jun-17-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <<soldal> Well, the first thing to realise is that the box called "Tournament Standings" at the top of the page does not necessarily reflect the real standings, and is not really meant to do so.>

I fail to follow your logic. If the box called "Tournament Standings" at the top of the page is not meant to reflect the "Tournament Standings", why is it labeled so? What else is it supposed to represent? Maybe the title should be changed to something like "Tentative Tournament Standings" or something similar. Then at least the title would be accurate. And once the standings accurately reflect the final standings, then the "Tentative" could be removed.

The fact that the standings were not accurately updated is understandable. This was a scoring system unlike, I believe, any scoring system used before. And, as with any automated system, errors are typically initially made when it is implemented. But the tournament has been over for several days and the proper scores and standings were shown in the crosstable. So the <chessgames.com> staff who updates the Tournament Standings have had time to update the Tournament Standings manually if desired.

And, yes, Carlsen had two draws while playing Black in the Armageddon games. This can be indirectly verified by looking at the official site at https://norwaychess.no/en/results-a... or directly by looking at the results of round-by-round for both regular ("R") and Armageddon ("A") games. The <chess24.com> site usually does a good job of accurately updating the game results as soon as each game is completed.

I think that the real reason that the Tournament Standings are incorrect is that they are calculated on the basis of the tournament games uploaded. And, if all the tournament games are not uploaded, then the Tournament Standings will always be incorrect. That would also explain the lag between the actual tournament results and the Tournament Standings since it depends on the staff, many of which are users, to upload them in a timely manner. And that's understandable also. But only <chessgames.com> can verify that.

Jun-17-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sally Simpson: ***

Hi soldal,

I think you made a good attempt at trying to post what was happening and what finally happened. (even the main site had it wrong.)

You are indeed correct, this is a games Data Base and the results tables are a guide. Best to scrap them and have a Carlsen thumbs up- thumbs down table.

The more thumbs down Carlsen gets then you know he has won whatever it was he was playing in.

For some unknown reason people don't seem to like him. What is there not to like? or to be more precise what is there to dislike? And that goes for the rest of them. They have got good at a game we love.

Jealousy? I'm jealous of their chess skill but I'm glad I'm me. I'm good at being me. I'm the best me here.

***

Jun-17-19  jphamlore: Carlsen has lost all confidence he can actually finish off Caruana in a classical time controlled game. His new style is not going to work against Caruana, because Carlsen has lost the patience to endlessly grind however long it takes.

I am now leaning towards Caruana being the new champion by the end of the next world championship match, not exactly the outcome I am rooting for.

Jun-17-19  LameJokes:

The main purpose of cg is to let kibitzers kibitz. More off-topic the better.

There are other sites that post tournament results. Why repeat the same thing here?

Keeping accurate database is a tedious process. LcZero and Stockfish play 100 games between them. Without getting tired. Since they are machines.

Does that mean Admin has to update all those 100 games? No. It's damn tiresome for humans.

Jun-17-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <<jphamlore> Carlsen has lost all confidence he can actually finish off Caruana in a classical time controlled game. His new style is not going to work against Caruana, because Carlsen has lost the patience to endlessly grind however long it takes>

I think that you are getting ahead of yourself. Caruana first has to win the 2020 Candidates Tournament and that's not a certainty. And why do you think that Carlsen has lost all confidence he can actually finish off Caruana in a classical time controlled game?

Besides, even if this was true, what difference would that make? If the classical time control portion of the WCC match were to end in a tie, do you think that Carlsen has also lost confidence in beating Caruana in the Rapid and, if it came to that, the Blitz tiebreak sections of the WCC match?

Which, of course, doesn't mean that Caruana can't beat Carlsen in the classical time control portion of the WCC match. But his chances were better in 2018 when Carlsen was not playing as well as he's playing at the moment (although, also of course, that doesn't mean that he will be playing as well in the fall of 2020) and Caruana was playing at near his all-time best. Which also doesn't mean that Caruana will not be at his all time best in the fall of 2020. Nobody knows, it's just too early to make predictions.

Jun-17-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: The world should simply accept that <hamhock> is a 3200 player manque whose erudition outstrips that of any player, living or dead.
Jun-18-19  JustAnotherMaster: < chancho: No one is perfect. Flaws are commonplace and that applies to Magnus Carlsen as well. But winning seven consecutive tournaments in different chess disciplines is still quite the feat. No other player in the top ten has accomplished that.>

And he played the most interesting and determined chess even when he had nothing to play for in the final round, yet haters gonna hate...g'day chancho

Jun-21-19  Pedro Fernandez: <<perfidious>: The world should simply accept that <hamhock> is a 3200 player manque whose erudition outstrips that of any player, living or dead.>

Hey <perfidious>, your English is really hard for me. That word <hamhock> I have not idea what does it mean. After you use <outstrip>, why not overcome? Carlsen or Alekhine? Well, already the former had defeated the World, but not so big as 3200 guys/girls. Believe or not, I never had read your profile, and I was surprised! Firstly, I thought you were British, but you're American! Secondly, I see you are (IMO) an important person here in Chess Games. FIDE Master and a professional Poker player. So, don't you think that your Username represents an antinomy of what you really have been in your life? Or did you do it sarcastically? Honestly, I don't know. As you know very well I always have been your friend. Greetings!

Jun-22-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <Pedro Fernandez>, my apologies if my usage of English has caused you any problems--never meant to do that for you or anyone else.

With all respect, if I may correct you on two points: I never made FIDE Master and do not consider myself of any great importance here at CG. I vote for people such as <jessicafischerqueen>, <Annie K.>, <Phony Benoni> and <hemy>, all of whom have contributed far more.

I am only reluctant to name those I have mentioned above because it means there are others whose names I have not brought into this who have also given much to CG and I have no wish to offend them.

Take care and be well, sir.

Jun-22-19  Pedro Fernandez: Thanks my dear <perfidious>, I appreciate your words.
Jun-23-19  jphamlore: https://www.nrk.no/sport/magnus-car...

Someone parse this. I can't.

It seems to me from Google translate that Carlsen isn't really threatening to not play the world championship match if Stavanger, Norway, wins the bid to host the world championship. But now there is yet another argument about whether Carlsen is all that into defending his world championship.

Carlsen doesn't seem to have much problem playing Karjakin these days. There is some strange psychological barrier where he just can't play Caruana in the same way that he had proven works for him.

Jun-23-19  JustAnotherMaster: Anyone want to put up 10k on cuarano and I'll take Carlsen I have multi online accounts let me know.... LMAO
Jun-23-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: Good article on Chessbase:

<Entrepreneur, trainer, and Grandmaster Miguel Illescas puts down some thoughts on how to make elite chess touranments more fan friendly. Inspired by the Norway Chess Armageddon experiment, he offers a proposal to improve the format with tweaks to the scoring and time control.>

https://en.chessbase.com/post/propo...

Jun-23-19  john barleycorn: From the above article:

<Scoring

The winner in each round receives one point, the loser zero. Easy to understand for the public and the press.>

There is hope for the CG table on tournament standings.

Jun-23-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  Count Wedgemore: <jphamlore> What has angered Carlsen is that the Norwegian Chess Federation chose to commit themselves to the Stavanger bid when it was still very early in the process, which has kind of blocked the way for other Norwegian organizers to submit a bid. I think that Magnus' wish was to play the next WCC Match in, or near, Oslo (if Norway is chosen too arrange it). But he has good relations to the Stavanger organizers (the same behind Norway Chess, as I'm sure you know), it's just some bad blood between him and the federation, and not only because of this issue..

<There is some strange psychological barrier where he just can't play Caruana..> I'm sorry, but this is complete nonsense.

Jun-24-19
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