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🏆 World Cup (2019) Chess Event Description
The 2019 FIDE World Cup was held in Khanty-Mansiysk, Russia from 10 September to 4 October. The 128-player knockout tournament featured most of the world's best players. The total prize fund was $1.6 million, with $110,000 for the winner and $6,000 for first round losers. The finalists would qualify for the Candidates tournament next year that would determine ... [more]

Player: Arman Pashikian

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. A Firouzja vs A Pashikian 1-0382019World CupA06 Reti Opening
2. A Pashikian vs A Firouzja  ½-½542019World CupD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
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  beatgiant: <WorstPlayerEver> Obviously it was hyperbolic of you to say "Giri never wins," you don't need me to go over his distinguished resume.

Giri took a lot of flack for drawing all his games in the 2016 Candidates, undeservedly in my opinion based on looking at his games there.

I also don't get your point about chess in China. Compare it with Japan, a country with a somewhat similar cultural background and much higher per capita income. China: number 3 on FIDE's "top countries" list. Japan: number 91. I rest my case.

Back to <jphamlore>'s point about the rating system. I agree it's silly to claim that Giri is better than, say, Nepomniachtchi because he is rated 4 rating points higher. The rating statistic is just not that accurate for estimating chess strength.

Still, there are a lot of very strong chess players and not all of them can be in the Candidates, so we'll always need some kind of arbitrary criterion to make the cut. Got any better suggestion?

But what is <jphamlore>'s take? I was half expecting him to pontificate on how Giri would have a real chance if only he would completely revamp his opening repertoire.

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  wordfunph: go go go wesley so. go home lol
Sep-20-19  csmath: Svidler, LDP, and So gave away their games without much incentive. So walked into a checkmate after playing another poor Petroff, Svidler wasted a pawn then made an unintelligible sacrifice, LDP got a present from Grischuk in a drawn endgame only to return the present in a howling mistake.

Xiong also messed up his game but I think Duda is stronger player anyway and the middlegame was not so simple to play.

Hopefully tomorrow will see some better chess. Yu-Nepo game should be a treat since today they blocked it pretty much and there was nothing much to see.

Sep-20-19  paavoh: Not much of a lottery here, if you judge it by the seeds in each section (

All top seeds are still in, except for section 8 (seeds 3 & 4). In others, #1 players face three #2's, three #3's and one #6.

Alekseenko has made a great impression.

Sep-20-19  WorstPlayerEver: <I also don't get your point about chess in China.>


Selbstverstšndlich; then you probably also don't understand why the US of A imports guys like So. Or that the Russians desperately try to keep up with their former Soviet status in chess.

Sep-20-19  WorstPlayerEver: PS for the people who don't 'understand' what chess has to do with politics.. tell me when the last Germans were world champion and.. where did they go?

Oh wait.. it must be a coincedence! ;)

Sep-20-19  WorstPlayerEver: Ah, I understand why it is so SILENT here.

I am now waiting for this message: you are posting a bit too much!

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  keypusher: < WorstPlayerEver: PS for the people who don't 'understand' what chess has to do with politics.. tell me when the last Germans were world champion and.. where did they go? Oh wait.. it must be a coincedence! ;)>

Why did it take me so long to put you on ignore?

Sep-20-19  WorstPlayerEver: <keypusher>

All Americans had to lose first, I assume. I guess it's a question of 'feeling too important and taking things way much too seriously.'

Enfin, the usual..

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  beatgiant: <WorstPlayerEver> So it went from "Giri never wins" to "Giri won, but it was only an exhibition to popularize chess in China" to "Giri won in China, but China is only in chess for the international prestige"?

In that case, I'll change tack and simply ask, which players do you think should be in the Candidates this time?

Sep-20-19  WorstPlayerEver: <beatgiant>

No, you simply try to avoid my argument. Giri is import too. To illustrate this:

Why are there people with two nationalities? While nationalism is considered as bad? Totally makes no sense. But the outcome is simple: people who have two nationalities have double right to vote, on a national basis. Speaking of democracy and equality........ my arse.

Now guess who's behind this nonsense?

In other words: I stand corrected.

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  cro777: Daily Puzzle

Nikita Vitiugov Ė Wesley So. Position after 59ÖKb5

click for larger view

Mate in 3.

Evgenij Miroshnichenko on Nikita Vitiugov's win: "A positional masterpiece."

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  beatgiant: <WorstPlayerEver>

In what way do I try to avoid your argument?

Giri has won important events in the past. I assume you know this.

Ding was at Shenzhen Masters (2019), as was Yu Yangyi. It proves nothing to show that the 2017 edition was weaker.

We can go on debating all kinds of other things about chess in China, but I don't see much relevance for Giri.

Giri's status as a naturalized citizen, anything to do with dual nationality or nationalism... what has it got to do with this discussion? Alekhine and Korchnoi were challengers before, and they emigrated from Russia just as Giri did.

We might just as well debate whether Giri is more qualified than Ding because he's married, as <Count Wedgemore> pointed out above.

Sep-20-19  WorstPlayerEver: <beatgiant>

In the sense of promotional events.

You are mistaken; Giri has won both Russian and Dutch national chess events.

Maybe you overlooked that.

He won the Russian U12 championship in 2006. Soon after he won his GM title, Giri placed clear first with 6/8 at the Dutch Championship (2009).

Sep-20-19  WorstPlayerEver: PS it's unfair competition. Exactly what it is.
Sep-20-19  WorstPlayerEver: PPS the difference is that both Alekhine and Korchnoi did not have a DOUBLE nationality.

So your argument is pointless.

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  beatgiant: <WorstPlayerEver>

<You are mistaken; Giri has won both Russian and Dutch national chess events.>

OK, that does have something to do with this thesis: <Giri never won anything. Never will.>

I stand corrected.

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  AylerKupp: <<starry2013> he was asked why he hadn't done well in the World Cup before and he said it was just luck.>

Technically he was correct. It was just his bad "luck" that his opponents played better than he did in the World Cups. ;-)

Sep-20-19  WorstPlayerEver: Giri kind of admits this himself in this interview:

" You now represent Holland internationally, but you grew up in many countries. Do you feel Dutch?

Anish Giri: Itís interesting. Most of the people I know have a very clear national identity and I feel how attached they are to their nationality from the way they speak. As a chess player I developed mostly in Holland; I became a strong player and made all the most important steps thereóbecoming a grandmaster, representing the national team. So as a chess player I certainly feel Dutch and Iím immensely grateful for the support Iím receiving in Holland from my sponsors as well as the Dutch Chess Federation, which is supported by the National Olympic Committee.

But on a personal level, this is hard for people to understand, but Iíve had such an international background from an early age that I donít feel a particular attachment to the national anthem or things like that. As a person I donít really attach myself to a country. I guess itís natural if you travel a lot as a kid.

Did this multi-national background help shape you as a player?

I was insanely fortunate. My mother was Russian and my father was Nepalese so I had both chess culture and genetics growing up. And learning the game in Russia where there are plenty of coaches who know about how to advise children, and which books to study, helped a lot. I studied all the classical games early on, and I experienced the harsh competition between Russian kids, which is way more fierce than many other junior competitions. But at the same time, I was also fortunate to move to Holland at the right time, due to my fatherís job, and that gave me a lot of opportunities. Had we stayed in Russia, it would have been harder for me to get all these chances. I played a lot of grandmasters immediately, and I played in the Wijk aan Zee tournament quite quickly."

It's funny to see how he replaces 'cheating' by "I was insanely fortunate."

Sep-20-19  WorstPlayerEver: <beatgiant>

You do not stand at all in this discussion. You just don't got any point.

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  AylerKupp: <<jphamlore> If Ding Liren finishes top 2 in this World Cup, <Giri> seems to have good chances to take the one ratings spot for Candidates qualification, which to me shows what a farce the ratings system is.>

Did you consider that perhaps the farce is not the ratings system per se but the fact that FIDE selects one of its participants for the Candidates on the basis of highest <average> rating for a one year period? For 2020 it's between the Feb-2019 and Jan-2020 rating lists. It's been shown that the player with the highest rating in the early portion of the average rating calculation period has an unfair advantage over the other possible Candidates Tournament participants because a high rating at the beginning of the average rating calculation period affects the average rating calculation more favorably than a high rating at the end of the average rating calculation period. It's even possible for one player to finish the average rating calculation period with a higher rating than another player yet the second player might qualify for the Candidates Tournament because his average rating for the average rating calculation period was higher.

And remember that all that each of the qualifying events show is who the better player was during the event, nothing more. The Grand Prix makes some sense since there are 4 events spread out over a year with the Candidates Tournament qualifiers being the top two scorers in 3 of those events.

But the World Cup and the Grand Prix tournaments? Each of those is a single event and all they show (maybe) who the best players were when those events took place. And the World Cup? That's decided by a series of knockout matches with the matches possibly decided by Rapid, Blitz, and Armageddon/Sudden death games. Given the relatively high probability that the loser of each of those knockout match could have lost the match purely by chance and that many of the matches were decided at faster than Classic time control games, what relevance does it have in selecting the best player to face Carlsen in what will initially be a maximum of a 14-game match played at Classic time control. And how does being the best player in Sep-2019 have to do with being the best player in Mar-2020? Now THAT is a farce. More of a farce than rewarding consistent performance over a much longer period of time. IMNSHO, of course.

Besides, if Ding Liren finishes in one of the two top places in this World Cup, the race to qualify on the bases of average rating becomes much tighter with the average ratings through Sep-2019 for the next 4 players being Giri at 2786.88, Mamedyarov at 2778.00, Vachier-Lagrave at 2776.38, and Nepomniachtchi at 2773.50. Only about 13 rating points separate Giri from Nepomniachtchi , and Nepo's rating has been the most consistent through the rating period so far. So with 4 rating lists to go, it's still anybody's race.

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  AylerKupp: <<Pedro Fernandez> Hey <AylerKupp>, don't you feel some dizzy with that short's issue? I am and I have not yet published any post on that subject.>

I was waiting for you to make your first post before I allowed myself to feel dizzy. And now that you have, I do feel dizzy. :-)

My remedy to dizziness, as usual, is to drink a glass (or two) of good wine, particularly when wearing shorts. I recommend the same "medicine" for you. It may not cure your dizziness, but you will no longer care that you are dizzy.

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  beatgiant: <WorstPlayerEver> <it's unfair competition. Exactly what it is.>

To prevent that, FIDE requires its members to declare a single national federation. If you didn't know that, I'm sure <AylerKupp> can enter into the breach and quote paragraphs of FIDE regulations for you.

Sep-20-19  devere: <AylerKupp: Only about 13 rating points separate Giri from Nepomniachtchi , and Nepo's rating has been the most consistent through the rating period so far. So with 4 rating lists to go, it's still anybody's race.>

The rest of your post was splendid, but I disagree with your conclusion. If Ding qualifies at World Cup, Giri is a lock for the ratings qualification spot. Using average ratings makes late-year qualification extremely difficult; as I have noted in the past, a win in January counts 12 times as much for qualification as a win in December.

All the other sports in the world glorify a come-from-behind last minute victory. The dimwits who run FIDE do their best to make it impossible!

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  beatgiant: I wonder what kind of World Championship cycle it would take to trigger a kibitzing apocalypse here?

Maybe that would involve a "win by two" clause in favor of the champion, the use of average ratings over the past 2 years as a qualifier, a dress code with mandatory Scottish kilt but with a vague statement that the plaid pattern must not be too garish, Fischer Random for the tiebreaks, and a rule allowing a person to simultaneously hold the world championship and the championship of the International Space Station?

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