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|Dec-23-11|| ||Domdaniel: <MAJ> Congrats. I, uh, couldn't help but notice. I was actually doing something similar - Alekhine Defence (the Knight moves) by Tal (the magiician) ... |
Dead slow, natch. *Now* I'm outta here.
|Dec-24-11|| ||FSR: <tcsetattr> had the right idea. I was looking at games that began with 1.e4 Nf6, alas. The winning game began with <1.d4> Nf6.|
|Dec-24-11|| ||Domdaniel: <buRnINGbeNd> Yep, it's inconvenient for those who can't use Opening Explorer.|
Did you think of trying another chess site with a similar facility? You can do it on 365chess, for example.
|Dec-24-11|| ||frogbert: tired and slow here, but: maj, how did you search/find the names of the cards?|
i tried http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/D... but spent too much time. image search again?
|Dec-24-11|| ||sleepyirv: Thought it was the e-pawn since there was a five on the Spawn card. Oh well, I only had time for ONE nerdy game as a kid and chess is much cheaper.|
|Dec-24-11|| ||frogbert: not that knowing the exact card names really was necessary here - maybe except for the "pawn of ulamog". prawn -> pawn could've been guessed, and otherwise it was pretty clear that it was knight, knight and a queen.|
i was also in the opening explorer, but before having deciphered all the cards...
|Dec-24-11|| ||tcsetattr: I found the cards using the search engine at magiccards.info (which I found by googling "mtg cards" or something similar). There was enough unobscured text that searching was fairly easy for most of them. Plus I used to play that game, so I am familiar with the basic concepts, and the casting cost in the upper right corner was helpful. The magiccards.info advanced search page lets you specify it.|
The Pixie Queen's upper right corner being obscured made it harder but having already seen 2 Knights and a Pawn I guessed that the woman in the drawing might be the queen of something so I just searched for Queen. Also the Black Knight there is a different version with an entirely different drawing so that slowed me down a bit.
|Dec-24-11|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <buRnINGbeNd: dang, that's almost not fair to people that don't already have premium accounts. i had that position in the opening explorer but couldn't search it. sad face.>|
I would need to count the possible pawn-knight-knight-pawn sequences in the database to be sure, but I have a gut feeling that full access to the opening explorer would not be of much help here.
This said, finding this game is indeed easier if one downloads the entire CG database, and this is available to premium members only, so I am sympathetic.
|Dec-24-11|| ||FSR: <buRnINGbeNd><tcsetattr> That does seem unfair, since the contest is supposed to be equally open to non-Premium Members. Do you need an attorney? (Note to ARDC: that is a joke.) But write a letter to Santa Claus and maybe he'll bring Premium Memberships down your chimney.|
|Dec-24-11|| ||buRnINGbeNd: <MAJ>
|Dec-24-11|| ||buRnINGbeNd: <FSR> damn right i want an attorney! THEY STOLE MAH PRIZEZ!!!!!|
|Dec-24-11|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <frogbert: tired and slow here, but: maj, how did you search/find the names of the cards?>|
First google image search for the entire image of the opening hand (as I described on the previous pages). This got me here: http://mtg.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Kni...
After this, I so no easier way but to capture the image on each card, and google again individually.
|Dec-24-11|| ||FSR: <buRnINGbeNd: <FSR> damn right i want an attorney! THEY STOLE MAH PRIZEZ!!!!!>|
But your own screen capture appears to show that you can get to five ply (indeed, to six) in Opening Explorer without being a Premium Member. That's all you need to solve this clue. So it seems that you've "pled yourself out of court," as we say. :-(
|Dec-24-11|| ||tcsetattr: Those of us without premium accounts could get to the right page on opening explorer, but it has no links out to the games nor names of the players.|
|Dec-24-11|| ||FSR: <tcsetattr: Those of us without premium accounts could get to the right page on opening explorer, but it has no links out to the games nor names of the players.>|
I stand corrected. YOU WUZ ROBBED!!!! I'll get to work drafting the complaint forthwith!
|Dec-24-11|| ||tcsetattr: Actually it does give names of the players sometimes, but only when there's a move that occurs only once in the database. This position is in the database twice and both times the response was ...Nbd7 so we just got the win percentage and the years and no links.|
|Dec-24-11|| ||FSR: Oddly, there are two games in the database with this line, played in 1912 and 1913, with Capablanca Black in both of them. Opening Explorer The other game was O Chajes vs Capablanca, 1913.|
|Dec-24-11|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <buRnINGbeNd: <MAJ> ... photobucket ...>|
So I see. However, this would show you only two of the (at least) nine games that start with this sequence. Here are the other eight I found:
O Chajes vs Capablanca, 1913 (1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d6 3. Qd3)
Y Vilner vs Botvinnik, 1927 (1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Qd3)
Pinter vs Hector, 1995 (1. c4 Nf6 2. Nf3 c6 3. Qa4)
Vokac vs Movsesian, 1995 (1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Qd3)
E Basyrov vs A Sidorov, 2001 (1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 c6 3. Qa4)
D Fridman vs A P Del Mundo, 2005 (1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 b5 3. Qd3)
D Fridman vs V Kostic, 2005 (1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 b5 3. Qd3)
Agrest vs D Semcesen, 2009 (1. c4 Nf6 2. Nf3 c6 3. Qc2)
|Dec-24-11|| ||tpstar: Perhaps one purpose of the Holiday Present Hunt would be illustrating the benefits of Premium Membership without coming right out and saying so.|
Happy hunting. =)
|Dec-24-11|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: Hey, User: buRnINGbeNd & User: tcsetattr -- indeed, it seems to me that klu#61 was not 100% fair.|
If you're willing to accept a transfer of the 4-month extensions I got for #28 and #31, perhaps CG might be able to arrange this.
|Dec-24-11|| ||FSR: Apparently moving one's queen on the third move is strong like bull. White scored +5 =1 -3 in those nine games, including +1 =1 -1 against future world champions.|
|Dec-24-11|| ||tcsetattr: That's all right, we can't expect perfect fairness, and there are other databases out there so it's not like it would have been impossible to figure out. You were only a minute or two behind me at the final step anyway. A serious up-to-date MtG player who knew the cards could have smoked all of us!|
|Dec-24-11|| ||buRnINGbeNd: oh psh. thanks for the offer, but i'm just giving them a hard time.|
|Dec-24-11|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: BTW, I was already thinking about distributing some of the extra months that I have but not use very much (see chessgames.com chessforum).|
|Dec-24-11|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: So, no four premium prizes in a row. Oh well.|
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