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Feb-27-12  galdur: <HeMateMe> I agree, much of this old stuff is terrible and ages very badly but I seem to remember some good film-noir from the forties and fifties.

There was a big leap in the seventies with Pakula´s conspiracy trilogy, Godfather, The Taxi Driver, Chinatown, One Flew Over the Cuckoo´s Nest, The Conversation, The French Connection and more. I think it´s still the best decade of American cinema.

Feb-27-12  Wayne Proudlove: Jim Bartle, I saw Montgomery Clift in "I Confess".
"Repulsion" by Roman Polanski is an awesome older film.
Feb-27-12  Jim Bartle: I would guess the majority of people here saw Clift in "From Here to Eternity." Has to be one of the most-watched movies pre-1970.
Feb-27-12  HeMateMe: <aldur> I agree about the 70s. Pound for pound, it is the best decade for film. There were not so many films being made then (unlike today), but some very memorable stuff appeared. Coming Home, proabably the first well done anti-war film, Chinatown (dealt with incest), the rough inner city sex of "Midnight Cowboy"--a lot of films simply didn't get made before 1970. The plight of a single women having premarital sex (Diane Keaton--Mr. Goodbar) is explored. The images of a rudely divorced woman--Jill Clayburgh in "Unmarried Woman" having sex while unmarried, then refusing to marry again, even though the new guy is quite decent, are explored. The filmakers were allowed to show sex, not for shock value, but because it was needed to define the characters on screen.

This doesn't mean there weren't terrifc actors around before 1970, but post-70 the directors seem to be much less burdened with studio and government censorship. The equipment gets better, budgets get larger.

<Alpha Male> You are older. If you talk to a group of people age 20-30, you might find one person who has seen a Trufault film, something like that. People of a certain youth won't watch the old movies. They see life differently than how the world was interpreted back then.

Feb-27-12  Wayne Proudlove: HeMateMe knows the youth. No, don't pay attention, it's silliness. Of course there's film students and bohemians and film buffs watching the old movies. There's a renaissance in fact with the nostalgia of The Artist and Hugo.
Feb-27-12  galdur: Having been of a decidedly conspiratorial state of mind for very long; my favorite movies of the seventies are Executive Action and The Parallax View.
Feb-27-12  Jim Bartle: Parallax View was good. It opened at the same time as Chinatown, and I remember seeing them on consecutive nights, knowing nothing about either beforehand.
Feb-27-12  Wayne Proudlove: But I say forget John Ford and Truffaut and them and film students today should consider the '80s the classics and check out the masters from that time: Adrian Lyne's "Fatal Attraction", Die Hard, the Troma films like Toxic Avenger, stuff by David Lynch and Wim Wenders and Abel Ferrara and Scorsese, independent stuff like Liquid Sky and The Brother From Another Planet.
Feb-27-12  drnooo: actually HeMateMe has a lot of good points about how people watch films the more cuts the better etc: very likely thats the seperation point: the more cuts for many it keeps their interest, the less cuts its more like a stage play the films from mtv on ripened that way of looking at movies, before then the camera barely moved
Feb-27-12  drnooo: though in the end whenever someone says the best movies ever is this or that, it usually says more about them than the movies its like saying Capa is as outmoded as John Ford, they both did things a lot simpler than the complexity of others
Feb-27-12  HeMateMe: <Wayne Proudlove> I think you mention two things that make my point--"nostalgia" and "film buffs". Both are usually minority groups. I didn't say "NO ONE among the youth watches these films", but come on--people 25 years old will never find out what fine actors David Niven and Katharine Hepburn were, because they have no interest in movies that old.

We probably won't be seeing <The Artist> playing at the Magic Johnson Theaters in Harlem.

Feb-27-12  Wayne Proudlove: No, today we should be talking less about the old films like "The Searchers" and more about 1980's films like "Sammy And Rosie Get Laid" or "My Beautiful Laundrette".
Feb-27-12  HeMateMe: My high school drama club had better built scenery props than "The Searchers". I half expected a horse and rider to come crashing through a paper mache cloud.It was interesting when I saw it as a teenager, unwatchable now. Same thing with Rio Bravo, cliche dialogue, unrealistic scenes (Ricky Nelson breaks into song, just happens to have a guitar handy), the woman are portrayed as morons.

BTW, if you want to see a cute look at the "old Hollywood", rent "The World's Greatest Lover", a comedy with Gene Wilder trying to become the next Valentino of film. Very funny, and a good luck at old movie stuff. Also, Woody Allen's "Zeitgest" is a good look back at that stuff. Also "Radio Days."

Instead of a corny film like The Searchers, where the indians were played by italian guys from the Bronx, how about a film like Clint Eastwood's <The Unforgiven> which shows how brutal the old West really could be?

Feb-27-12
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  OhioChessFan: <WP: There was a big leap in the seventies with Pakula´s conspiracy trilogy, Godfather, The Taxi Driver, Chinatown, One Flew Over the Cuckoo´s Nest, The Conversation, The French Connection and more. I think it´s still the best decade of American cinema.>

The 40's. The Best Years of Our Lives alone would make it a great decade. Casablanca, Laura, Grapes of Wrath, Citizen Kane...

Feb-27-12
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  Shams: Several "70s" films mentioned here were actually made during the late 60s, but I think their inclusion is proper. Mike Nichols' "The Graduate" (1967) is often seen as the turning point, right?

Plus, this way "Rosemary's Baby" (1968) gets in.

Feb-27-12
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  edbermac: Speaking of old movies, try watching some Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton or Laurel and Hardy films. They are a million times funnier than anything Adam Sandler could ever hope to churn out.
Feb-27-12  Travis Bickle: <Shams> Yeah I was thinking of great films and my decades ran together. ; P

The 70's was the decade for films though imo. Apocalypse Now, Chinatown, Network, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Deliverance, The Deer Hunter, & Mean Streets to name a few of many.

Feb-27-12
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  WannaBe: Shaft, Superfly, Boogie Night, Foxy Brown...
Feb-27-12  galdur: <WannaBe> In the 70 to 80s I thought Pam Grier was the hottest woman around. Then she seemed to disappear but came back in Jackie Brown. What a great actress.
Feb-27-12
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  al wazir: There's nothing that Hollywood likes better than a movie about Hollywood. _The Artist_ and _Hugo_ each took five Oscars.
Feb-27-12
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  DrNyet: One has to wonder if more than a small minority of people have any hesitation to support the government ramrodding whatever might benefit them, no matter how silly.

From Chessbase.com:

"Strasbourg: Getting chess into schools Europe-wide
27.02.2012 – For six months now the Kasparov Chess Foundation has been lobbying to get chess introduced into the curriculum of schools in Europe. With the help of the British charity Chess in Schools Garry Kasparov worked the members of the European Parliament, so far garnering 377 of the 380 signatures required. You can help: call your MEPs and tell them to sign the declaration."

Feb-27-12
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  Shams: <There's nothing that Hollywood likes better than a movie about Hollywood.>

Seriously. Could it be any more of an ouroboros?

Broadway might be equally bad.

Feb-27-12  galdur: DrNyet, Kasparov is a money hungry whore with an agenda that is readily attractive to other political whores. It´s good marketing.
Feb-27-12
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  al wazir: <DrNyet: One has to wonder if more than a small minority of people have any hesitation to support the government ramrodding whatever might benefit them, no matter how silly.> Is chess worse than what's already in the curriculum? Here's a link to the DC public schools' offerings: http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/Files/downl...

I will cherry-pick a few examples: "Create a dance based upon a literary work that explores the personal meaning behind the author's intent." (I'd like to see them do a dance based on _Moby-Dick_ or _Blood Meridian_.) "Compare maps of the modern world with historical maps of the world before the Age of Exploration." (Do they also study Babylonian astronomy and medieval medicine?) "Identify the three professional ball teams: The Homestead Grays, The Washington Senators, and the Washington Redskins."

Feb-27-12  HeMateMe: In her book, Pam Grier said that she really studied up for her roll as a hooker in the Paul Newman film "Fort Apache--the Bronx". The police precinct was nicknamed Fort Apache, because the cops thought they were surrounded by lawless savages.

Grier went into the area, watched the working girls, spoke to some of them. I forget how the movie gos. She's either the hooker who is killing police officers, or she is mistaken for the killer.

Some people in the Bronx didn't like that movie, as it portrayed waaay to many people as heroin addicts. But, it was an ugly, burnt out shell in the early 80s.

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