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|Jul-07-12|| ||Shams: I think of myself as an idealist, but never mind.|
|Jul-07-12|| ||HeMateMe: Butt Rock is probably Pantera and Bon Jovi. Glam Rock is Bowie, The New York Dolls and T-Rex.|
Later, you have the speed metal bands that sort of have elements of glam rock--Poison, Anthrax, Motley Crue--"The Hair Bands", if you will.
I think the term "glam rock" should have been retired in the 70s, because thats when it really started and ended--think Frankenfurter, from <Rocky Horror>.
|Jul-07-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: Re: "History will not judge our generation kindly, but in our defense, at least we know we suck."|
Mind if I use that line?
|Jul-07-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <Pantera> I am a huge fan! I saw them play live twice in the '90s. |
Pantera is generally considered to be one of the most influential bands from the "Thrash Metal/Groove Metal" sub-genres of Heavy Metal.
Here are a few songs to give you a true-to-life represenation of what Pantera is actually about:
A) From the Cowboys From Hell album (1990) - "Cemetery Gates"
B) From the Far Beyond Driven album (1994) - Black Sabbath's "Planet Caravan"
C) From The Great Southern Trendkill album - "The Great Southern Trendkill"
D) From The Great Southern Trendkill album - "Floods"
PS. My recommendation is, if you are not familiar with the erudite depth of Pantera's music, that you start with track 'D', "Floods".
|Jul-07-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <David Bowie> A truly knowledgeable Bowie fan must know the following albums well:|
A) Ziggy Stardust (1972)
B) Diamond Dogs (1974)
C) Station to Station (1976)
D) Let's Dance (1983)
E) Earthling (1997)
PS. Honourable Mention: Hunky Dory (1971), Aladdin Sane (1973), "Heroes" (1977), and most everything else!
|Jul-07-12|| ||HeMateMe: All of his 70s music is terrif, and then it starts to get weak. What an amazing run, though. I think only the Beatles strung together as many fine albums, back to back, in one decade.|
|Jul-07-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Excellently said in regards to Bowie, <HeMateMe>!|
|Jul-07-12|| ||HeMateMe: world's beer and cannabis champion:
|Jul-07-12|| ||Shams: <LTJ> "Hunky Dory", featuring the jaunty piano work of Rick Wakeman and some great songwriting, not all of it Bowie's, deserves more than Honorable Mention. And "The Man Who Sold the World" needs to be on there too. Other than that I like your list. "Diamond Dogs" is incredible, the first half especially.|
|Jul-07-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <Shams> I share your view point regarding Hunky Dory actually.|
The thing is that I find <Hunky Dory> to be Bowie's most unconscious (Jungian) album in a way. A lot of dream-like imagery there with exquisite and intelligent pop-songwriting.
A definite stand-out for me from this album is the following song which Bowie throughout the years has recognized to be a 'palimpsest':
PS. <The Man Who Sold the World> is a great album for sure.
All of <Diamond Dogs> is phenomenal for me.
My fave of all: A tie between <Ziggy Stardust> and <Station to Station>.
|Jul-07-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: Michael Bolton, "Lean On Me":
|Jul-08-12|| ||HeMateMe: There is also a live in Philadelphia Bowie album, a double live album, I think recorded in the 70s, that is pretty good. I think that one gets lost in the shuffle because of all the other good stuff, but it is a good record. Sounds like part of <Diamond Dogs> is live, maybe that sates most fans. Ive seen some more recent dvds of Bowie live, its just a bit too tame. Nothing bad, just a bit slow.|
In the 80s Bowis seems to lose the thread, we get more mtv friendly songs with less ambition. It's very difficult to describe/understand how songwriting deteriorates in the top flight musicians. Only one thing is certain--with few exceptions they ALL do most of their best work while in their 20s.
C'mon, Davey Jones, slap on the makeup, platform booties, a little toot of the white stuff and lets all talk to Major Tom one more time!
|Jul-08-12|| ||HeMateMe: The NBA Dream Team 2012, that will win the gold medal, will be playing a series of exhibition games, prepping for their first round game against victim France, July 29.|
One of the exhibition games will be in Manchester, England, so the Brits can see our guys doing their thing. I don't know who they are playing in Manchester, but this might be a good time to watch them play, as olympic basketball tickets will be scarce.
|Jul-08-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: Rolling Stones, "Waiting On a Friend":
|Jul-08-12|| ||Thanh Phan: Why Has The Professional Chess Scene So Many Draws In Recent Years? http://www.onlinechesslessons.net/2... |
An interesting article on draws
|Jul-08-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: HeMateMe,
your assessment that songwriting deteriorates in an artist's "20"'s is subjective.
You'r ready to pile up the evidence but your prejudice is informed by two main factors:
a) you're a Beatles fan and they did their best (only) work in their 20's
b) you're a sports fan and athletes perform best at that age
|Jul-08-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: Louis Armstrong,"That Lucky Old Sun":
|Jul-08-12|| ||harrylime: My favourite John Wayne movies off the top of my head.. |
Red River and Stagecoach stand out tho.. Both would make my top ten movies of all time.
|Jul-08-12|| ||HeMateMe: <Wayne>--Most of the successful musicans do most of their best work, while in their 20s. Emphasis on "most". Bruce Sringsteen, Madonna, the Police, Bob Dylan, U2, and so, released their most popular, best selling records while in their 20s. |
There are exceptions. I think the metal band that was involved in the lawsuit against the sharing of music files had their best record sales in when the band was in their late 20s, early 30s, not sure. They may have been late bloomers. The Dave Mathews Band didn't really seem to catch on till the guys were in their late 20s. Same with the Band, Robbie Robertson. Celine Dion is doing as well now, as when she was younger.
But, really, Pink Floyd, Elton John, Mariah Carey, Jonie Mitchell, Michael Jackson, and Whitney Houston all had 1) their most critically acclaimed albums and 2) their best selling albums while in their 20s. A singer like Britney Spears has zero chance of equalling the popularity she had while in her 20s.
I realize that someone who only releases one record every five years,like Beck, might have more balanced sales numbers. When Bob Dylan puts out his first new album in ten years, people might "like" it, but the proof is sales and radio play. Despite having a couple of interesting songs, a new Bob Dylan record has no chance of having the impact of <The Free Wheelin Bob Dylan> or <Blood on the Tracks>
This has nothing to with older, super groups like the Beatles, as you say. A more contemporary performer like suzanne Vega doesn't have sales or radioplay like she did when she was in her 20s. Beyonce and Katie Perry won't have such huge record sales at age 35, as they have now. The statistics support me.
The numbers support me on 95% of successful recording artists. Of course there are exceptions--I'm guessing you have some favorite older artists who have done things recently that you really like, but the numbers support my claim, regarding critical acclaim and units sold.
|Jul-08-12|| ||drmariogodrob: @ chesstoplay
That puzzle in Warehouse 13 was not really a chess puzzle at all. The solution was to "break the rules" so in the end they just illegally moved a pawn in order to checkmate the king. It was pretty lame.
Here was the position:
click for larger view
As I recall, they didn't even name the squares correctly in the episode. At one point, the black square bishop somehow moved to "h4"...
|Jul-08-12|| ||Wayne Proudlove: HMM,
well you must admit the audience for popular music and rock music is young so younger artists appeal more.
Brittany Spears's "Not a Girl/Not Yet a Woman" has its time and place and you could say the same for The Who's "My Generation" and on and on.
Young artists are striving for success so they're trying a little harder, I would go along with that.
But I don't agree with your use of the word "deteriorate" as if songwriting and record-making were equatable with athletic performance/the body.
The approach to making art is different as you age; think of a young Francois Truffaut ecstatic to be making "The 400 Blows" vs. the father figure/craftsman who left us "The Last Metro."
|Jul-08-12|| ||harrylime: John Cassavetes.. 'The Killing of a Chinese Bookie' |
Uber cool and in the top cinematic aesthetic achievements of the 1970's.
|Jul-08-12|| ||harrylime: Message to ALL coffee drinkers on these pages..
The Beatles were'nt a 'Supergroup' Never were never have been....
The Beatles were just The Beatles...
|Jul-08-12|| ||HeMateMe: Wayne--there is 50+ years of pop songwriting in the vault, from which to draw conclusions. Great songwriters like Joni Mitchell and Carole king had little commercial success after the age of 30. See above examples^^.|
I think this is a physiological development. Something in the creative part of the brain doesn't function as well after age 30, as well as it did in ones teens and twenties. Just look at the evidence.
In chess players, this occurs after the age of 40, sometimes sooner. If you want to equate this with a champion sprinter losing his/her/ great reflexes at age 28, fine. Same principle.
A lot of musicians are technically more skilled later in life, because they have learned so much, and practiced so much, but--creatively, the mind loses something that one had in their twenties that can't be regained. Songwriters either lose the ability to write cutting edge popular music, or it takes them longer and longer to put out good music--we have fewer good albums, as they get older.
When's the last time U2 or the Rolling stones put out a "great" album? Thank you.
|Jul-08-12|| ||harrylime: HMM.. You seem to devote lots of energy into writing garbage.|
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